Happy Independance Day...From the Fuckers Across the Pond! - Page 2

 
Thats the way Debs.........always look on the bright side of life.......ain't that a song?....lol
 
JC

It's not a birthday....you putz lol

I just wonder how many people truly appreciate the Fourth of July for what it truly means.

America has grown into the most powerful country in the world and the best country in the world. I think most of us forget about the beginnings though.

Before we were a free country, we were part of the British Empire, occupied by British troops in their bright red. The American colonies were really only good to the British Empire for the tax money they generated. That is until the colonists got tired of paying too much in taxes and decided to do something about it.

This idea to revolt against the Brits and start a war for independence was David versus Goliath. On one side there is a well trained and supplied army, on the other there was hunters, farmers and city folk. Anyone who had a gun basically.

If the Vegas odds makers were around back then they most likely wouldnít have given us Americans much of a chance, but we had something more than military might on our side. We had heart.

The American Colonies knew what they wanted and they werenít about to stop short of achieving their goal of freedom. The colonists were so determined they even got the French to fire a gun and help us defeat the British.

As more years pass I think Americans have forgotten what the true meaning of the Fourth of July really is. I know for a fact that many Brits forgotten or chose to forget the Revolutionary War.

On a family trip to England in 1996 to visit family there, an uncle was boasting on how the English army has never lost a war. I was quick to point out to him that had the English army never lost a war I wouldnít be an American but rather English just like him.

He looked at me puzzled for a few moments then rephrased his comments to say they have never lost a war on the British Isles.

On our side of the pond, I have noticed the Fourth of July seems to have turned into a time to play with explosives, walk down the middle of the street while waving to our friends and eat funnel cake.

The intentions are good, but I think weíve strayed from the true meaning of the Fourth of July celebration. With family members, neighbors and friends off fighting for freedom, I am sure this yearís Fourth of July we all thought about our troops, but how many thought about our founding fathers?

And it's not October....

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ORIGINAL: racerx82

And it's not October....

LOL...good call..the Oktoberfest was from a previous stray off topic, regarding St. Patty's day and other holidays.

Just here to say your other post was a good point.  As my family name directly descends from the man who drafted the Bill of Rights, I find myself feeling very patriotic on the 4th of July.  I remember back to my service in the US Army and think of my brother in-law, a Special Forces Soldier who has been in Afghanistan for the past year and 1/2.  Guys like him allow us to light fireworks, wave at our neighbors, and eat funnel cake.  And all of the folks who came here from all over allow us to enjoy green beer in March and polka music in October.  Their fathers and family have done their share in securing that right.  Hats off to all of them!

Amen brother!

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I know for a fact that many Brits forgotten or chose to forget the Revolutionary War.

On a family trip to England in 1996 to visit family there, an uncle was boasting on how the English army has never lost a war. I was quick to point out to him that had the English army never lost a war I wouldnít be an American but rather English just like him.

Fair play, but to be honest "we" (Meaning from now on the current generation of Brits) were never where and my children aren't, taught at school about it.

We cover the Main aspects of our history like Romans, The great fire of London, Battle of Hastings and Vikings etc Yr Reception (4/5 yr olds) to Yr 6 (10/11 yr olds)
At secondary school "grade" 7 to 9 look a little more at world History but it's not unless you actually choose to study History as an option for "grade 10/11 that you would even venture near the reason for Independance day and the politics of war behind the date.

So in the main it's not that "we" choose to ignore, just that the history of the British Empire (as was) is so great that generally we aren't taught it unless we ask and then only in snippets not in detail.

I think it's great you guys have a day you feel passionatley patriotic about, St Georges day in the UK goes by with out a by your leave most years and we only celebrate St Patricks day so we can get pissed on the Black Stuff!  

To be honest things have got so P.C here they are debating whether we can have bonfire night / Guy Fawkes any more as it's celebrating terrorism. Or Christmas nativity plays in our schools in case we upset someone of another religion. For God Sake "UK" lighten up.

It's getting so that you need Public liability Insurance to fart, and then the HSE (Health and safety Executive) would want you to wear a harness if you were to lift a foot of the ground!



Rant over, Nice to meet the elusive Racer at last.

 
Blo*dy ell Debs...........just a bit of a rant....lol
Its true though come to think about it.........I loved history yet only vaguely remember the barest of details about the American war of Independance......then again I only took history for O level, not higher.
 
I think Racer was hiding Debs..........you scared him away...lol
Be nice to see the ole todger about a bit more, dunno whats been goin with him lately?
 
JC

Why should you study our independence when you have a rich history of your own?  We Americans are a loud and proud group.  Good for us I say, but I don't need to push it down everyone else's throat.  Now Texas history, that's a different thing.  I think it's kind of cool how we let the other 49 states join us!

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ORIGINAL: ken@britishparts.com
Why should you study our independence when you have a rich history of your own?  We Americans are a loud and proud group.  Good for us I say, but I don't need to push it down everyone else's throat.  Now Texas history, that's a different thing.  I think it's kind of cool how we let the other 49 states join us!

 
Oh I dunno Ken.....I reckon you guys have made a fair ole bit of history over the last 300 years or so. I find a lot of American history really interesting, although through movies not study, obviously they're not all that factual, but there or thereabouts.
I sposewe've had a few more centuries than you guys to make history, like about 700 - 800 more years
The Alamo!.......Now there's a small but infamous piece of American history!
 
JC

HAHA at ken with the TexasJoke!  JAJA  good one!

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ORIGINAL: DEBBIE
I think it's great you guys have a day you feel passionatley patriotic about, St Georges day in the UK goes by with out a by your leave most years and we only celebrate St Patricks day so we can get pissed on the Black Stuff!  

 
 
Must be an English thing Debs. We celebrate StAndrews day here, as well as Burns night. My English boss said to me once, how he envied us as we seem so proud of our heritage and have so many reminders around us everyday. He reeled off Kilts n tartan, whisky, shortbread, Braveheart, William Wallace, Robert the Bruce, Hogmanay ( New Years Eve)and various others too.
It was round the time of the World cup I think or some other big football tournament and he was lamenting the English footie fans and commented on how well behave and pissed the scots were.....lol
I just think that the English have so much to rememeber and be proud of, but seem to have forgotten all about it. No real sense of nationalism!
Go on Debs........have another rant babe....lol
 
JC
 

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ORIGINAL: JimC64
I think Racer was hiding Debs..........you scared him away...lol
Be nice to see the ole todger about a bit more, dunno whats been goin with him lately?

JC

 
I'm beginning to wonder if I might be a bit scary you know.
 
In a weaker moment this morning I was moaning to one of the other mum's about trivial boring carp and she happened to say that she thought I was the most confident person she had ever met and likened me to Bodacia, a real warrior woman were her words. (Don't worry I don't think I am I just like to tell it how it is and then cringe in private - don't ever let them see you down! Is my moto)
 
Racer, I don't bite (Unless you ask me Realllllyyyy nicely!)
 
(Maybe he's found a new woman and doesn't have the time for Forum trivia at the moment?)

 

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ORIGINAL: DEBBIE

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ORIGINAL: JimC64
I think Racer was hiding Debs..........you scared him away...lol
Be nice to see the ole todger about a bit more, dunno whats been goin with him lately?
JC

I'm beginning to wonder if I might be a bit scary you know.
In a weaker moment this morning I was moaning to one of the other mum's about trivial boring carp and she happened to say that she thought I was the most confident person she had ever met and likened me to Bodacia, a real warrior woman were her words. (Don't worry I don't think I am I just like to tell it how it is and then cringe in private - don't ever let them see you down! Is my moto)
Racer, I don't bite (Unless you ask me Realllllyyyy nicely!)
(Maybe he's found a new woman and doesn't have the time for Forum trivia at the moment?)

 
Lol.........Warrior woman Debs!
Tell it like it is, me too! Thats why I like our American cousins so much, they were brought up that way.
Any pics in your Bodacia outfit Debs, please feel free to post...lol
 
Think Racers either found a new woman ( or been told he can't come on here by his missus....lol) or got a new car. Can't be a new car otherwise he'd be telling us all about it.
 
Any other mums at the school gates into cars / Jags Debs? You know you get a £10 voucher for every new member that subscribes from a referral?
 
JC

So I'm guessing if they don;t teach about the revolution in England they probably don't talk to much about us saving Europes *ss in WWII.
 
Nah I'm just playing I know how it is, I lived in England for a while, you guys have the best museums.
 
It's kinda dumb for any American to complain about England not knowing enough about the revolution when how many American's know anything about our former colonies in the Filipines and central and south America.  Plus most people here know we lost the Vietnam war, but that;s it.  Very few people get that info.
 
I have taken AP US history and AP US government and Politics, the highest high school courses with American history, and we barely touch into the subjects I mentioned.
 
Deb is Guy Fawkes day really celebrating terrorism.  I thought it was celebrating that they stopped him and executed him.

 

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ORIGINAL: 93xj6
So I'm guessing if they don;t teach about the revolution in England they probably don't talk to much about us saving Europes *ss in WWII.

 
OMG 93...
Opened a can o worms there bro! We were in the war since 38 and fought long and hard, and lost  many men. You guys only came in the war for the last five minutes....lol
Agreed, you made a big contribution with ships and munitions, but you didn't have bombers over your skies night n day!
You had a brief taste of it at Pearl Harbour......not the best day in Americas history, we lived that for 6 years every day! No real comparison.
Saved our ass......helped yeah!
We were fighting wars before you were even born
 
Don't get on your high horse now, just a few facts...lol
Friends?
 
JC

I was making a joke man, you opened the can of worms. 
 
Ever heard of the Lend-Lease Act of March of 1941.  It allowed the United States to supply munitions to England and USSR prior to being involved in the war.  42 BILLION dollars of supplies were given to England, call that a little help. 
 
But yea I see what your saying, thousands of civilians were bombed during the war, however you being bombed shows you were involved in the war.  Proving my point that we saved you guys.  D-Day ring a bell.  A vast majority of the troops, as in almost all, were Americans.  D-day and the few weeks following are what ended the war and turned the tables on Germany, all thanks to the US, Buddy.
 
 

LOL!  I like this thread!  Well said 93, I took AP US History in high school, and we barely touched the subject of the Vietnam War!  As for WWII, we saved ya'll asses brits...admit it!  Imagine this;  We don't join the war, until someone picked a bone with us, and for the last 5 mins we join, we did what you guys couldn't do for YEARS!!!!  We opened a can of WHOOP ASS!  JAJAJA...just kidding buds!

 

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ORIGINAL: 93xj6
I was making a joke man, you opened the can of worms. 
Ever heard of the Lend-Lease Act of March of 1941.  It allowed the United States to supply munitions to England and USSR prior to being involved in the war.  42 BILLION dollars of supplies were given to England, call that a little help. 
But yea I see what your saying, thousands of civilians were bombed during the war, however you being bombed shows you were involved in the war.  Proving my point that we saved you guys.  D-Day ring a bell.  A vast majority of the troops, as in almost all, were Americans.  D-day and the few weeks following are what ended the war and turned the tables on Germany, all thanks to the US, Buddy.

 
Lol.......wind em up an watch em go
Thats what I said......you loaned us a few $$
We did all the hard work and you guys walked in after we softened em up 4 you.
I spose the Poles, Russians, French etc etc who lived the war every day for years fighting resistance actions living in fear every day for 6 years didn't really contribute much. Lets be honest, you guys won the war single handedly...lol
 
Biggie.........I'd say Pearl Harbour was one helluva bone, wouldn't you, Jeez, they nearly wiped out half the American Navy in one go! ( It was a bad day....paybacks a bitch though aint it)
BTW .......Did you know it was a Scotsman who founded the American Navy? John Paul Jones.
Keep yer panties on 93 me ole mucker.......its only a few friendly facts, don't get so wound up ffs.
 
JC

Hey Jim as for pearl harbor...does Hiroshima ring a bell?

I say you can't admit that we helped Jimmy!  Maybe we should have allowed them to keep going at it for a few more years...

As for Independence Day...heck no you guys wouldn't want too much to say about it...yet again we whooped on ya...BTW Jim no hard feelings just friendly facts!  Don't get wound up!

 

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ORIGINAL: aquill1
Hey Jim as for pearl harbor...does Hiroshima ring a bell?
I say you can't admit that we helped Jimmy!  Maybe we should have allowed them to keep going at it for a few more years...
As for Independence Day...heck no you guys wouldn't want too much to say about it...yet again we whooped on ya...BTW Jim no hard feelings just friendly facts!  Don't get wound up!

 
I know Aquill........re Hiroshima, thats why I said paybacks a bitch...lol
Jeez, of course you were a major part of WW11...I wouldn't deny that. Just trying to show that millions of other people lived the war for years every day. America helped with costs no doubt about it, America helped with Ships n munitions, no doubt about it. America eventually came into the war late on with men and that certainly helped turn the tide for sure.
 
And yep, you guys won your freedom all those years ago by kicking ass........I agree
Then again, I'm on your side, cos that was against the English.......we fought them in 1307 and won our freedom too....lol
I'm Scottish first and British second!
Lol
 
JC

Some good points.  The last comment I will make is evreything you said holds some ground, except the French did nothing to help win the war.
 
Any brit will agree with me or your not really English.  The Russians helped by invading from the east to surround the Germans, the British helped by backing up the USA, and the French helped by getting conquered years before America even joined the war.  Ummm last I checked being conquered has nothing to do with victory.  I think we all can agree that France sucks. 

This is like watching the world cup.  I like the Scottish pride, Jim.  We are like that down in Texas.  Of course, on the flip side, if it weren't for Texas, California, and Florida the tabloids would have no one to write about!

Yeah no doubt ken!  Seems to me 93 is ready to argue with anyone and everyone!  Just my guess though!

 

 

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ORIGINAL: 93xj6
the French did nothing to help win the war.
Any brit will agree with me or your not really English. 

 
Hey 93......I'm not the biggest fan of the french ( except maybe their women - sexyyy) I know they were beaten very quickly and occupied for the duration. That was because they were unprepared and the Gaermans attacked quickly and decisively. The resistance movement and the free french army certainly played their part...if you don't believe me, check it out.
Re your - any brit will agree with me etc etc.......You're missing the point. I'm Scottish born n bred, Scottish first and British second. As for English...there's not an English bone in my body.
The UK (United Kingdom) is made up of four countries, England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, all essentially countries within a country if you like.
Sorry bout the rant......lol
 

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ORIGINAL - Ken@britishparts .com. This is like watching the world cup.  I like the Scottish pride, Jim. 

 
Thanks Ken.....I'm Scottish and proud of it. I love my country and all it stands for. We're only a small nation, but we got heart.
 
JC

This is one of my favorite threads evAr!

I'm as American as they come...my family was here before the war for Independence.  My ancestors owned a steel mill that constructed the chain that Washington used in the Delaware River to stop the British boats.  As I mentioned, my family name is directly descended from George Mason, who wrote the Bill of Rights.

With that being said though, my Grandmother on my mother's side can trace her maiden name back to French nobility.  A castle under that name stands in France to this day.  Her grandmother was 1/2 Irish and 1/2 Welsh and can trace her ancestors back to an arranged marriage between two houses for political gain.

My father's great-grandparents on his mother's side were Artur and Esther Vagner, from Germany....their names changed to Arther and Ester Wagner when they came to the U.S.

I love having all the diversity.  I'm the epitome of what Americans are...but I love celebrating all the aspects of my European heritage.  AKA....an excuse to drink and party!  :)  Then I went and married a 100% Mexican woman....I needed to add that piece to make it in California!  LOL