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RE: vanden plas
Here's some reading on the subject from:
http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?vandenplasf.htm
The Vanden Plas name
Why is Vanden Plas often abbreviated to "VDP" (rather than just VP)? What does it actually mean? And how should the name be pronounced? These questions can be answered (or at least illuminated) by delving into the origins of the name.
Firstly, to dispel some fairly common misconceptions, the name is not French, German or even Dutch, but Flemish, hailing from the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium. In plain Dutch it would have been spelled as "van den Plas" (and alphabetically sorted under 'P'). However, Flemish capitalises the V (sorting it under 'V'), and also contracts "Van den Plas" to "Vanden Plas" and sometimes even to "Vandenplas". Incidentally, in modern Dutch usage one would say "van der plas", but Flemish family names are never updated to reflect more modern spelling (whereas there used to be a tendency to do this in Holland).
Next, the meaning. In his book "Vanden Plas – Coachbuilders", Brian Smith gives the literal translation as "of the pond". "Plas" is indeed the Dutch for pond, so this is probably correct, but it should be noted that it is also used for any body of water from a puddle upwards. For instance, the Dutch for "to pee" is "een plas doen", spilt water would be described as "plas" on the floor, and even the ocean is sometimes referred to as "de grote plas" (the great ....). However, there is a further possiblilty that should not be dismissed: in a family name it could very well be a corruption of a similar-sounding word with an entirely different meaning...
Finally, the pronunciation. Many people in English-speaking countries wrongly assume that the final 's' is silent, pronouncing the name as "Vanden Plah". The correct pronounciation (both in Flemish and in plain Dutch) has a rather sharp 's' at the end, as in the English word "kiss". Both 'a' vowels in the name are pronounced the same way, as in the English colloquialism "yah", so phonetically we should say something like "Vahnden Plahs". However, Flemish will in this case put a slight stress on the first syllable of "Vanden", whereas plain Dutch would stress only the "Plas" quite heavily.
Many thanks to Hendrik-Jan Thomassen, Bert Vijn and Erik Nooij for their contributions on this topic
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You guys are too funny. I always used to pronounce the "s". The couple times I was at the Jag dealer though they always said "pla". I just think it's a strange way too say it for me. Almost like ending a sentence with an unfinished word...lol.
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Pronunciation of the name Van den Plas
The book of Van den Plas is a very worthwhile read.
So just to reiterate; the the last part of the name VAN den PLAS is pronounced as PLAS.
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Ah ha, I'm quoting Doug from 14 years ago, when I was just a toddler Jag owner... the XJ12 had just rolled in to the stable.
Gottlieb Daimler was indeed a German, so DIME-ler seems to be the correct pronunciation. He sold the right to use his name to a British entrepreneur named H J Lawson. But... I think with time, as the brand changed hands and evolved in the UK, the English language tended to lean towards and eventually favor the DAME-ler pronunciation. Probably only as a difference in dialect in the way that UK english differs from USA english.
I have asked this question to some British relatives, and was told without doubt that it is pronounced "DAME-ler" by the Brits. Who concurs (or not)?
Also the perfect forum to settle the Vanden Plas mystery. I always pronounced it Vanden Plah (no S). That became habit. Since my Vanden Plas always seemed to be troubled with faults, it became known as Vanden Blah to some. Which I am not proud of.
Gottlieb Daimler was indeed a German, so DIME-ler seems to be the correct pronunciation. He sold the right to use his name to a British entrepreneur named H J Lawson. But... I think with time, as the brand changed hands and evolved in the UK, the English language tended to lean towards and eventually favor the DAME-ler pronunciation. Probably only as a difference in dialect in the way that UK english differs from USA english.
I have asked this question to some British relatives, and was told without doubt that it is pronounced "DAME-ler" by the Brits. Who concurs (or not)?
Also the perfect forum to settle the Vanden Plas mystery. I always pronounced it Vanden Plah (no S). That became habit. Since my Vanden Plas always seemed to be troubled with faults, it became known as Vanden Blah to some. Which I am not proud of.
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Here in the USA Jagwahr is the most common pronunciation...although the cringe-worthy Jagwire is a close second.
JagUar isn't heard often in the USA unless spoken by a visiting Brit or Canadian. It sounds like an affectation when a Yank says it . Within the JagUar crowd I've noticed two variations. Jag-U-Are and Jag-U-Uhr.
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