Re doing the Coach Stripe
#41
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#42
i think you will find that they are indeed ' old stock ' as in sat on the shelf for 20+ years
mine were when i bough them from Jag, the duston the box was thicker than the coachline inside , lol
anything that has been made recently will not have that exact look as an original set
i think the question is
do you want/need to have original speck coachlines ?
if its a yes, then there is only one way to go
if no , then buy a £10 set from halfords and be done with it
BB
mine were when i bough them from Jag, the duston the box was thicker than the coachline inside , lol
anything that has been made recently will not have that exact look as an original set
i think the question is
do you want/need to have original speck coachlines ?
if its a yes, then there is only one way to go
if no , then buy a £10 set from halfords and be done with it
BB
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#43
this lot do repro coach lines as good if not better than original, according to them.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJS...p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJS...p2047675.l2557
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#45
Yeah I agree, it looks pretty good without it.
I'm a stickler for having things original for me so would love to get the old stripe I had if I could, but much like you guys are saying, I am finding now that they would have to be made up from new. I guess keeping stickers from the 1980's tend to lose their adhesive after a while lol!
Ill keep you posted. Thanks for the input guys
I'm a stickler for having things original for me so would love to get the old stripe I had if I could, but much like you guys are saying, I am finding now that they would have to be made up from new. I guess keeping stickers from the 1980's tend to lose their adhesive after a while lol!
Ill keep you posted. Thanks for the input guys
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#47
you shouldn't do , but you may need to get the car ' mopped ' after to eliminate any abrasion lines, as the paint under the coach line would have never seen any wear
another thing to think about is if the car has ever had any paint repair, the coach line is a favourite for the body shop to paint to rather than a whole panel , if you see what i mean
so , if she has never been painted, a simple warm air gun will help remove the coach line, and a mop and polish after will bring the paint up like new
good luck
BB
another thing to think about is if the car has ever had any paint repair, the coach line is a favourite for the body shop to paint to rather than a whole panel , if you see what i mean
so , if she has never been painted, a simple warm air gun will help remove the coach line, and a mop and polish after will bring the paint up like new
good luck
BB
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paulyling (10-29-2014)
#51
Ok day 1 down and about 60% of the job is done. I am ready for a drink....
I am sure the Great Wizard would agree, this is one of those jobs best done with patience and plenty of liquor lest one do his head in.
As you can see from the pictures some of my stripe is near perfect and other sections look shidouse. It was also one of those jobs that once you start it you can't go back. I also made the decision to remove the parts that were in good condition too as I probably have a slim chance of getting the exact same coach stripe back on. As you can see from the pics mine has a little leaper on the back of each side near the buttresses. I doubt I could get another one like that so a little sad. I gather I would remove it all and start a fresh. Not sure if the colour was meant to be silver or gray or something else. I think I mentioned this earlier in the post but does any body know what color Jaguar originally used to pinstripe JDM (cobolt blue) ?
I also found out that for most sections my coach line was the same level as the paint. This means that when I removed the coach line you could feel the indentation of the paint between the lines raised higher than the line. This seems to indicate that the coach lines were masked at the factory then a final coat was sprayed on the body so to give a flat surface all around. Anybody knows if their's the same?
Another little bugger of a thing I found out was that one of my sections had a double coach line. I peeled off one line only to find another underneath. I started to peel this off but the barsturd started peepling the paint with it!
Also the sections that looked the worse were the hardest to get off. The sections in good condition just peeled off.
So how did I do it?
Well I took my two good mates advice and used a heat gun to assist in freeing up the adhesive underneath (thanks James) and used my finger nail for the most part (thanks Clarke) to save scoring the paintwork with anything more harsh.
There were a few section where I found it helpful to use a scalpel however extreme caution was used lol! Also used some tweezers in some sections but mainly my finger nail which explains why my thumb is throbbing so much tonight!
In summary the finished product on one side doesnt look too bad. You can definitely see the shadow of the stripe due to the different levels of paint but it will be ok once a new stripe is put on I guess.
Well, still got one more side to go tomorrow then it will be left like that for a month whilst I'm at sea.
When I get home I will be on a mission to find somebody to do the stripes professionally or whether it is doeable at home
to be continued....
I am sure the Great Wizard would agree, this is one of those jobs best done with patience and plenty of liquor lest one do his head in.
As you can see from the pictures some of my stripe is near perfect and other sections look shidouse. It was also one of those jobs that once you start it you can't go back. I also made the decision to remove the parts that were in good condition too as I probably have a slim chance of getting the exact same coach stripe back on. As you can see from the pics mine has a little leaper on the back of each side near the buttresses. I doubt I could get another one like that so a little sad. I gather I would remove it all and start a fresh. Not sure if the colour was meant to be silver or gray or something else. I think I mentioned this earlier in the post but does any body know what color Jaguar originally used to pinstripe JDM (cobolt blue) ?
I also found out that for most sections my coach line was the same level as the paint. This means that when I removed the coach line you could feel the indentation of the paint between the lines raised higher than the line. This seems to indicate that the coach lines were masked at the factory then a final coat was sprayed on the body so to give a flat surface all around. Anybody knows if their's the same?
Another little bugger of a thing I found out was that one of my sections had a double coach line. I peeled off one line only to find another underneath. I started to peel this off but the barsturd started peepling the paint with it!
Also the sections that looked the worse were the hardest to get off. The sections in good condition just peeled off.
So how did I do it?
Well I took my two good mates advice and used a heat gun to assist in freeing up the adhesive underneath (thanks James) and used my finger nail for the most part (thanks Clarke) to save scoring the paintwork with anything more harsh.
There were a few section where I found it helpful to use a scalpel however extreme caution was used lol! Also used some tweezers in some sections but mainly my finger nail which explains why my thumb is throbbing so much tonight!
In summary the finished product on one side doesnt look too bad. You can definitely see the shadow of the stripe due to the different levels of paint but it will be ok once a new stripe is put on I guess.
Well, still got one more side to go tomorrow then it will be left like that for a month whilst I'm at sea.
When I get home I will be on a mission to find somebody to do the stripes professionally or whether it is doeable at home
to be continued....
Last edited by paulyling; 06-11-2015 at 06:19 AM. Reason: spelling gumpus. Typing whilst drunk...
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#52
hmm
as far as I know, Jaguar never painted ( or lacquered ) over the finished coach line, and to find two coach lines stuck over each other indicates to me that the car has had some paint repair and or a full paint in its past
This is born out by the paint under the coach line being lighter than the rest of the door !! as if the exposed paint had faded in any way this would be the opposite way round ?
as you say , you have to keep going now.....
I suspect the car was repaired in some way , coach lines replaced and covered in places and the car was clear-coated all over ?
lets hope the new coach lines cover everything up
BB
as far as I know, Jaguar never painted ( or lacquered ) over the finished coach line, and to find two coach lines stuck over each other indicates to me that the car has had some paint repair and or a full paint in its past
This is born out by the paint under the coach line being lighter than the rest of the door !! as if the exposed paint had faded in any way this would be the opposite way round ?
as you say , you have to keep going now.....
I suspect the car was repaired in some way , coach lines replaced and covered in places and the car was clear-coated all over ?
lets hope the new coach lines cover everything up
BB
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#53
cheers BB
yeah it was only one small section that it was doubled up. Not sure why.
In regards to the other I just figured they did it that way to have a smooth finish, ie you can't feel the bump of the coach line, but I could be wrong.
Can anybody else "feel" their coach line or is it the same level as the body work? You should be able to tell by trying to get at it vertically with your finger nail.
In regards to the colour for the next one, I'm not sure what to do. I think the color scheme for the original looked good but yeah, cant tell if it is meant to be silver, grey or who knows what.
i have seen a 83 XJS in JDM (cobolt blue) and it had a goldey colored stripe but also a goldey growler so it matched. It was a dual stripe as well.
I would of settled for no coach stripe but due to the fact of the uneven paint levels ill go with another stripe. Still....it doesn't look too bad without one....you look close you can see like a shadow of the stripe.
yeah it was only one small section that it was doubled up. Not sure why.
In regards to the other I just figured they did it that way to have a smooth finish, ie you can't feel the bump of the coach line, but I could be wrong.
Can anybody else "feel" their coach line or is it the same level as the body work? You should be able to tell by trying to get at it vertically with your finger nail.
In regards to the colour for the next one, I'm not sure what to do. I think the color scheme for the original looked good but yeah, cant tell if it is meant to be silver, grey or who knows what.
i have seen a 83 XJS in JDM (cobolt blue) and it had a goldey colored stripe but also a goldey growler so it matched. It was a dual stripe as well.
I would of settled for no coach stripe but due to the fact of the uneven paint levels ill go with another stripe. Still....it doesn't look too bad without one....you look close you can see like a shadow of the stripe.
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#56
Paul
Your original coach stripes were the earlier type, they were never two tone like the later ones BB is referring to. Jaguar changed them (I believe) at the time they changed the seats and the switches and the aircon, about 1987 or 88. Your sort of stripes were either gold or silver and were transfers, never painted on. Yes, you can feel the edges of them OEM.
You can buy exact replicas eg WATJAG Ltd - Derek Watson - Independent Jaguar Specialist
but they are not AFAIK available from JCP.
Your original coach stripes were the earlier type, they were never two tone like the later ones BB is referring to. Jaguar changed them (I believe) at the time they changed the seats and the switches and the aircon, about 1987 or 88. Your sort of stripes were either gold or silver and were transfers, never painted on. Yes, you can feel the edges of them OEM.
You can buy exact replicas eg WATJAG Ltd - Derek Watson - Independent Jaguar Specialist
but they are not AFAIK available from JCP.
Last edited by Greg in France; 06-11-2015 at 09:08 AM.
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#57
'You could be really, really, Glad you Didn't Think Of That!'
That Car in the Video, was probably NOT Lacquer over Base Coat.
If you cut through the Lacquer on any part of the Car, you will lose the Shine and you won't get it back, not without re-lacquering anyway.
Where the Paint on the Car in the Video, would just Buff back up to a Shine.
So be Careful and Good Luck!
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#58
Ready to cringe?
Well i finally finished removing both sides however i came across a few difficult sections.
I bit the bullet and went out and got an eraser wheel for my drill. It works a treat BUT....you have to be soooo bloody careful. I mean really light handed and very precise. I did one section with too much enthusiasm and look what happened!
Lucky that bit will be covered up with a new stripe. Im going to go over that section today with som touch up paint.
You live and you learn I guess. It will eventually look good again, ill just have to be patient...
Well i finally finished removing both sides however i came across a few difficult sections.
I bit the bullet and went out and got an eraser wheel for my drill. It works a treat BUT....you have to be soooo bloody careful. I mean really light handed and very precise. I did one section with too much enthusiasm and look what happened!
Lucky that bit will be covered up with a new stripe. Im going to go over that section today with som touch up paint.
You live and you learn I guess. It will eventually look good again, ill just have to be patient...
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#59
Ready to cringe?
Well i finally finished removing both sides however i came across a few difficult sections.
I bit the bullet and went out and got an eraser wheel for my drill. It works a treat BUT....you have to be soooo bloody careful. I mean really light handed and very precise. I did one section with too much enthusiasm and look what happened!
Lucky that bit will be covered up with a new stripe. Im going to go over that section today with som touch up paint.
You live and you learn I guess. It will eventually look good again, ill just have to be patient...
Well i finally finished removing both sides however i came across a few difficult sections.
I bit the bullet and went out and got an eraser wheel for my drill. It works a treat BUT....you have to be soooo bloody careful. I mean really light handed and very precise. I did one section with too much enthusiasm and look what happened!
Lucky that bit will be covered up with a new stripe. Im going to go over that section today with som touch up paint.
You live and you learn I guess. It will eventually look good again, ill just have to be patient...
You just about got away with that!
If you get yourself an 'Air Brush' from an Artist/Model Shop, you can use that to touch up any bad bits.
Just don't end up re-spraying the whole flipping Car! (lol)
Anyway, massive Respect to you for having a go yourself! Its not a job I'd really want to do.
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paulyling (06-12-2015)
#60
Cheers bud
Well i masked her up with rags and masking tape underneath and gave it a shot with my Spray Can of JDM (cobolt blue) i had.
It looks better but still i can notice it.
Whats the difference between using an air brush or spray can for touch ups?
The reason i ask is i have an airbrush in the shed but never used it.
Well i masked her up with rags and masking tape underneath and gave it a shot with my Spray Can of JDM (cobolt blue) i had.
It looks better but still i can notice it.
Whats the difference between using an air brush or spray can for touch ups?
The reason i ask is i have an airbrush in the shed but never used it.
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