XJS Car Tax Question for UK Owners
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08-30-2016, 05:40 PM
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08-30-2016, 06:53 PM
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08-30-2016, 08:16 PM
Overall it seems the total cost is much the same here and there,(Canada) just cut up and labelled differently. I recall seeing some scarey costs and regs. for Germany though.
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08-31-2016, 01:07 AM
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Full comprehensive collision cover policy on my 1989 xjrs costs $223 AUD on agreed value of $25k AUD. Registration costs inluding compulsory third party cover about another $600.( We do have a club rego. scheme which can cut the $600 to about $120 for limited use for vehicles that qualify.)
Overall it seems the total cost is much the same here and there,(Canada) just cut up and labelled differently. I recall seeing some scarey costs and regs. for Germany though.
Overall it seems the total cost is much the same here and there,(Canada) just cut up and labelled differently. I recall seeing some scarey costs and regs. for Germany though.
Insurance in D without fully comp. Just simple third Party on an 89 XJS: €179/year.
Roadtax: €1200/year
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08-31-2016, 05:02 AM
OB,
There's a slight difference in paying by Direct Debit or making a single payment via Debit Card etc.
So if you pay 6 months by DD (single payment, not monthly) it's £123.38. But if you pay a 6 months tax by Debit Card Payment, then it's £129.25. In other words, they'd rather you set up a DD. This means that the tax will renew at the end of the 6 months and the DD will be retaken etc. Whereas a 6 month tax paid by Debit Card will lapse at the end of the 6 month period.
Bizarrely, if you pay for 12 months , it's the same £235 whether you do it by renewable DD or Debit Card.
It's why I've moved all my car tax to 12 months with monthly DD. It's slightly more expensive but much more controllable if you want to SORN it part way through.
Hope that makes sense.
Paul
There's a slight difference in paying by Direct Debit or making a single payment via Debit Card etc.
So if you pay 6 months by DD (single payment, not monthly) it's £123.38. But if you pay a 6 months tax by Debit Card Payment, then it's £129.25. In other words, they'd rather you set up a DD. This means that the tax will renew at the end of the 6 months and the DD will be retaken etc. Whereas a 6 month tax paid by Debit Card will lapse at the end of the 6 month period.
Bizarrely, if you pay for 12 months , it's the same £235 whether you do it by renewable DD or Debit Card.
It's why I've moved all my car tax to 12 months with monthly DD. It's slightly more expensive but much more controllable if you want to SORN it part way through.
Hope that makes sense.
Paul
That makes Perfect sense and knew I could rely on you to come up with the definitive answer.
As they certainly don't go out of their way to explain that on the form.
Where £235 DD or Card seems totally Bizarre! compared to the Six Monthly Options.
So £235 by DD monthly really seems the only way to go, as I need my daily driver but then when the bad weather kicks in, I can SORN my XJS.
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08-31-2016, 06:38 AM
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08-31-2016, 09:05 AM
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My brother has 3 of the same cars all have the same reg on them for that very reason.
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08-31-2016, 09:34 AM
I know that feeling all too well myself, if only you could SORN them on a Weekly basis, that could be a lot more fun.
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09-01-2016, 04:56 AM
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09-01-2016, 10:34 AM
I don't see why they can't come up with something, where you Car is automatically SORN by default.
So if you were driving it while it was on SORN then you could be fined for driving an Untaxed Vehicle (which is fair enough)
So when you want to use your Car (Your Classic Car) You could buy any number of days Road Tax, using your Smart Phone.
How hard could that be for them to set that up.
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09-01-2016, 05:30 PM
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That would work really well right up until somebody hacked your smartphone and taxed their car with it.
The whole purpose of the road fund licence is to generate funds for the upkeep of the roads (not poxy cycle lanes that make the roads narrower).
Therefore, the more miles that you do (regardless of how fuel efficient your car is) the more wear that you put on the road.
Put it on fuel; the more miles that you do the more wear that you generate so the more 'tax' that you should pay.
Why should I pay the same road tax for the less than 2000 miles a year that I put on my Jag than some rep who is putting 30,000 miles a year of wear into the infrastructure?
I also don't quite understand how her little 2 litre Alfa (which, admittedly does pump out 319g/km of stuff) gets a higher tax rate than my V12 lump.
Makes no sense at all.
The whole purpose of the road fund licence is to generate funds for the upkeep of the roads (not poxy cycle lanes that make the roads narrower).
Therefore, the more miles that you do (regardless of how fuel efficient your car is) the more wear that you put on the road.
Put it on fuel; the more miles that you do the more wear that you generate so the more 'tax' that you should pay.
Why should I pay the same road tax for the less than 2000 miles a year that I put on my Jag than some rep who is putting 30,000 miles a year of wear into the infrastructure?
I also don't quite understand how her little 2 litre Alfa (which, admittedly does pump out 319g/km of stuff) gets a higher tax rate than my V12 lump.
Makes no sense at all.
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orangeblossom (09-02-2016)
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09-01-2016, 05:30 PM
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OB,
It's apparently as hard for them to do that as it is for them to just scrap Road Fund Licence and put a discrete tax on fuel which means that no-one could avoid paying it. Then those who use the roads the most, either in mileage or emissions, would pay the most. But maybe that's also too obvious....
Paul
Edited....
Sorry Steve, your similar response just crossed with mine!
It's apparently as hard for them to do that as it is for them to just scrap Road Fund Licence and put a discrete tax on fuel which means that no-one could avoid paying it. Then those who use the roads the most, either in mileage or emissions, would pay the most. But maybe that's also too obvious....
Paul
Edited....
Sorry Steve, your similar response just crossed with mine!
Last edited by ptjs1; 09-01-2016 at 05:33 PM.
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09-02-2016, 01:03 AM
OB,
It's apparently as hard for them to do that as it is for them to just scrap Road Fund Licence and put a discrete tax on fuel which means that no-one could avoid paying it. Then those who use the roads the most, either in mileage or emissions, would pay the most. But maybe that's also too obvious....
Paul
Edited....
Sorry Steve, your similar response just crossed with mine!
It's apparently as hard for them to do that as it is for them to just scrap Road Fund Licence and put a discrete tax on fuel which means that no-one could avoid paying it. Then those who use the roads the most, either in mileage or emissions, would pay the most. But maybe that's also too obvious....
Paul
Edited....
Sorry Steve, your similar response just crossed with mine!
Yes, that would be ideal but then that's too simple.
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09-02-2016, 01:15 AM
That would work really well right up until somebody hacked your smartphone and taxed their car with it.
The whole purpose of the road fund licence is to generate funds for the upkeep of the roads (not poxy cycle lanes that make the roads narrower).
Therefore, the more miles that you do (regardless of how fuel efficient your car is) the more wear that you put on the road.
Put it on fuel; the more miles that you do the more wear that you generate so the more 'tax' that you should pay.
Why should I pay the same road tax for the less than 2000 miles a year that I put on my Jag than some rep who is putting 30,000 miles a year of wear into the infrastructure?
I also don't quite understand how her little 2 litre Alfa (which, admittedly does pump out 319g/km of stuff) gets a higher tax rate than my V12 lump.
Makes no sense at all.
The whole purpose of the road fund licence is to generate funds for the upkeep of the roads (not poxy cycle lanes that make the roads narrower).
Therefore, the more miles that you do (regardless of how fuel efficient your car is) the more wear that you put on the road.
Put it on fuel; the more miles that you do the more wear that you generate so the more 'tax' that you should pay.
Why should I pay the same road tax for the less than 2000 miles a year that I put on my Jag than some rep who is putting 30,000 miles a year of wear into the infrastructure?
I also don't quite understand how her little 2 litre Alfa (which, admittedly does pump out 319g/km of stuff) gets a higher tax rate than my V12 lump.
Makes no sense at all.
I'm sure it will gladden your heart to know that round my way they've just spent a fortune putting in miles and miles of cycles lanes on which I've hardly ever seen a bike.
