Removed drained battery,recharged,reinstalled,now no start? Please help
#141
Just thinking here. (Dangerous I know) But Sid said his drivers door doesn't work with the ing. key. If this is true, wouldn't that leave something out of the security loop? If something is left out, wouldn't that or, couldn't that possibly be an issue to starting?
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Chuck
05/XK8
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Chuck
05/XK8
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Sid:
One more slight possibility. If your ignition and door lock cylinders do not match, then apparently either the door lock or the ignition lock have been replaced. If the ignition lock has been replaced, then the code the dealers have for the lock will fit the door but not the ignition, and if you lose your only key, the ignition lock will have to be replaced again. But the more immediate consequence of this may be that some connection in the steering column that was made when the lock was replaced may have come loose or disconnected. Just one more possibility you might want to check before you have the vehicle towed to a dealer.
Last edited by bakntyme; 12-14-2014 at 09:02 PM.
#142
Thank you
Sid
#143
The door key is one way to lock/unlock the doors and enable/disable the alarm and start inhibit systems. The remote does all of those also.l From what I can tell, the only thing he is missing by not having the proper door key is the ability to raise/lower the top from outside the car. And of course to unlock the car if he loses the remote or the remote battery dies.
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Sid:
One more slight possibility. If your ignition and door lock cylinders do not match, then apparently either the door lock or the ignition lock have been replaced. If the ignition lock has been replaced, then the code the dealers have for the lock will fit the door but not the ignition, and if you lose your only key, the ignition lock will have to be replaced again. But the more immediate consequence of this may be that some connection in the steering column that was made when the lock was replaced may have come loose or disconnected. Just one more possibility you might want to check before you have the vehicle towed to a dealer.
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Sid:
One more slight possibility. If your ignition and door lock cylinders do not match, then apparently either the door lock or the ignition lock have been replaced. If the ignition lock has been replaced, then the code the dealers have for the lock will fit the door but not the ignition, and if you lose your only key, the ignition lock will have to be replaced again. But the more immediate consequence of this may be that some connection in the steering column that was made when the lock was replaced may have come loose or disconnected. Just one more possibility you might want to check before you have the vehicle towed to a dealer.
Strange that the passenger side door doesn't have a lock, chances are if it did like most, if not all other cars, that i would still be able to unlock one of the doors. Lol, first car I ever saw like that.
Thank you,
Sid
#144
My exact situation exactly with my 2005 XKR 100. Had the battery tested, the 9-year old German (Vartas?) Jaguar original oem unit, and it was deemed junk. Put in new battery, only upgrade to 1,000 Amps at 32 F and 900 at 0 F (oem was 680 Amps) and all the issues went away. Started quick as a cat, purred, had to reset radio code and "Reteach windows" and then do the 10 mile drive to acclimate the ECU and now I don't have the windows doing strange things. Jag wanted $125 for the tow to shop, $62.50 for the install, and $352 usd for the battery, an AGM non-vented type. II paid Autozone $156 usd for the battery and got $10 back when I brought back the old one. The changing of the battery was a snap- my girlfriend did it for me except for lifting it out and in to learn how. You need a star tool for the strap bolt and a 10 mm wrench for the loosening of the terminal leads, some Vaseline and a few minute's time- less than 15 minutes. Thanks to the Forum for all the help.
Last edited by Arland Green; 12-15-2014 at 08:40 PM.
#145
#146
Hi Jandreu, well, only so many hours in a day friend. I'm going step by step and as quickly and efficiently as possible, I so miss driving my Jag and I hate the fact that it is immobile due to something as normal as a drained battery and jump start, this is such a huge deal with this brand, unbelievable.
If this could be dealt with by a professional for a reasonable price i would go for it, but the dealership is a whole other beast with no guarantees of a resolution or honesty.
Will keep trying all options and possibilities to avoid the dealership and post as it progresses.
I had a simillar security immobilizer issue with a 99 Corvette, I towed it to the dealer twice on a recall at their expense and they still failed to resolve the issue permanently both times, so I gave up on their promises and found a $50 bypass module online, installed it in minutes, problem was solved.
Thank you,
Sid
#147
Have you tried actually installing a known good battery with a full charge? Not hooking one up with jumper cables, but actually installing it? If that does not work, then your problem is NOT a common one with this car. If you refuse to take the vehicle to a dealer your options are to find a mobile locksmith with the right equipment, or turn the car into a planter.
#149
Have you tried actually installing a known good battery with a full charge? Not hooking one up with jumper cables, but actually installing it? If that does not work, then your problem is NOT a common one with this car. If you refuse to take the vehicle to a dealer your options are to find a mobile locksmith with the right equipment, or turn the car into a planter.
Thanks alot, much appreciated
Sid
#150
Thanks alot, much appreciated,
Sid
#151
Hello all, been quite busy and haven't gotten around yet to trying the most recent suggestions and/or attempts remaining on my list of ideas, but I will post back asap.
I would like to wish Jaguarforums.com and everyone of you wonderful and kind fellow members and your loved ones a safe and happiest of holiday season, and I sincerely thank you all again so much for everything.
Best wishes,
Sid
I would like to wish Jaguarforums.com and everyone of you wonderful and kind fellow members and your loved ones a safe and happiest of holiday season, and I sincerely thank you all again so much for everything.
Best wishes,
Sid
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#152
2004 xjr new fob flip key reprogrammed but wont start
Hey all... i lost the only Flip key transponder i had. when i bought the car it came with only one. So i ordered one online.. took it to jaguar, and had it cut. Then i programmed the key. All doors lock/unlock trunk works like its supposed too.. but it will not start. after searching the internet, i understand there's something else i need to do.. Am i doomed to return to jaguar for a bloody cash sacrifice? lol.. or is there a way to program it without going to jaguar?
#153
Jaguar Land Rover Diagnostics Coding Programming Kit Dealer Software IDS SDD JLR
So would this work?
So would this work?
X100 XK - Full compatibility excluding flashing/programming modules
This Jaguar Diagnostics clone system is the easiest, most available route that avoids a potentially aggravating installation process: Jaguar Land Rover Diagnostics Coding Programming Kit Dealer Software IDS SDD JLR | eBay
I have successfully programmed additional XK8/R keys with it. I am not affiliated with this seller or this product.
I have successfully programmed additional XK8/R keys with it. I am not affiliated with this seller or this product.
#154
Hey all... i lost the only Flip key transponder i had. when i bought the car it came with only one. So i ordered one online.. took it to jaguar, and had it cut. Then i programmed the key. All doors lock/unlock trunk works like its supposed too.. but it will not start. after searching the internet, i understand there's something else i need to do.. Am i doomed to return to jaguar for a bloody cash sacrifice? lol.. or is there a way to program it without going to jaguar?
#155
Despite the item description saying
I found where one of the experts here, WhiteXKR, says it will work to program the car for a new key. Maybe that exclusion only applies to completely re-programming modules. I don't know why he has not re-visited this thread to suggest it, unless it is related to the dangers involved in its use. It costs about the same as a dealer charge for one time key programming. Might be worth a try for both of you. But read, and consider seriously, all of the warnings contained in that ebay listing and use it carefully.
I found where one of the experts here, WhiteXKR, says it will work to program the car for a new key. Maybe that exclusion only applies to completely re-programming modules. I don't know why he has not re-visited this thread to suggest it, unless it is related to the dangers involved in its use. It costs about the same as a dealer charge for one time key programming. Might be worth a try for both of you. But read, and consider seriously, all of the warnings contained in that ebay listing and use it carefully.
Hi bakntyme, all that is needed to be purchased is the diagnostic cable, the seller also states the following;
The software is completely freeware and publicly available by JLR for anyone to have access to. Britishdiagnostics hold no responsibility for the software and are only providing the sale of a diagnostic cable and the freeware software pre-downloaded.
#156
Hi bakntyme, all that is needed to be purchased is the diagnostic cable, the seller also states the following;
The software is completely freeware and publicly available by JLR for anyone to have access to. Britishdiagnostics hold no responsibility for the software and are only providing the sale of a diagnostic cable and the freeware software pre-downloaded.
But it is interesting that he charges $93 for the cable, and another $63 for the "freeware" software.
Last edited by bakntyme; 12-23-2014 at 06:54 PM.
#157
Hi everyone, I have re-tested all fuses, the ones that didn't light up with the test light i removed and tested for continuity and all passed.
I have also swapped the battery with another, the result is the same, no starter action.
I tried one more time to set off the alarm and then to shut it off by turning the key in the ignition but doing so didn't shut off the alarm, had to use the remote.
I also checked with the test light if power is coming to the relay that is separate from the others on the passenger side under the hood over the wheel well, power does come to it.
It seems to be either the security issue or the starter. Since the key isn't sutting off the alarm, i am leaning more towards security.
So if i download the software and buy the diagnostic plug, does anyone know how to reprogram the key to the security system or how the dealer does it?
Thanks alot,
Sid
I have also swapped the battery with another, the result is the same, no starter action.
I tried one more time to set off the alarm and then to shut it off by turning the key in the ignition but doing so didn't shut off the alarm, had to use the remote.
I also checked with the test light if power is coming to the relay that is separate from the others on the passenger side under the hood over the wheel well, power does come to it.
It seems to be either the security issue or the starter. Since the key isn't sutting off the alarm, i am leaning more towards security.
So if i download the software and buy the diagnostic plug, does anyone know how to reprogram the key to the security system or how the dealer does it?
Thanks alot,
Sid
#158
I believe that is a legal disclaimer to attempt to insulate the seller from liability when you bork your car. But I do not believe that the software is actually available for free downloads elsewhere. You can search. I do not know if it is easily duplicated by someone who bought it. I would guess not, as if so, there would be dozens of them listed on ebay.
But it is interesting that he charges $93 for the cable, and another $63 for the "freeware" software.
But it is interesting that he charges $93 for the cable, and another $63 for the "freeware" software.
He says "available by JLR ", anyone know who JLR is?
Thanks,
Sid
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Hi-Velo-Sid-E (12-23-2014)
#160
Hi Wayne, not sure if the correct ones but i found the following video and the links to the downloads, but which is the correct download version?
Their statement;
The Jaguar, Land Rover Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) will be the only equipment that provides complete diagnostic coverage of current and future Jaguar, Land Rover vehicles. The IDS package replaces the Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS). The IDS application will perform the identical functions of the WDS and allows dealership technicians to diagnose and serviceJaguar, Land Rover vehicles. As the new diagnostic tool, IDS will be required to perform diagnostics on future model year vehicles. One IDS Package is recommended for each WDS in the dealership.
IDS is enhanced WDS software that was modified to run on a standard laptop platform, and utilizes the VCM and VMM. Moving IDS to a laptop helps technicians by integrating access to both diagnostics and service information on a single, powerful machine.
I also clicked the software demo video which makes the process look like it is pretty simple to use;
NEW LINK TO FREE SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD: http://mhhauto.com/Thread-IDS-SDD-La...ngual-11-44-GB
Thanks alot,
Sid
Their statement;
The Jaguar, Land Rover Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) will be the only equipment that provides complete diagnostic coverage of current and future Jaguar, Land Rover vehicles. The IDS package replaces the Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS). The IDS application will perform the identical functions of the WDS and allows dealership technicians to diagnose and serviceJaguar, Land Rover vehicles. As the new diagnostic tool, IDS will be required to perform diagnostics on future model year vehicles. One IDS Package is recommended for each WDS in the dealership.
IDS is enhanced WDS software that was modified to run on a standard laptop platform, and utilizes the VCM and VMM. Moving IDS to a laptop helps technicians by integrating access to both diagnostics and service information on a single, powerful machine.
I also clicked the software demo video which makes the process look like it is pretty simple to use;
NEW LINK TO FREE SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD: http://mhhauto.com/Thread-IDS-SDD-La...ngual-11-44-GB
Thanks alot,
Sid
Last edited by Hi-Velo-Sid-E; 12-23-2014 at 09:51 PM.