Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
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Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
My mom has had this 2005 XKR for about 6 months now, but lately the airbag light has been coming on intermittently. She took it 4 hours to the Houston Jaguar dealership, and they told her it was the seat covers she installed. They said the metalclips were grabbing the wiring and shorted it out. They said you cant get parts for the seat, but you can buy a whole new seat for $10,000!!! I am a master certified technician and work aviation avionics. I took the seats out and inspected them for wiring damage and found nothing. They told her the jaguar buys back wrecked seats and rebuilds them and reuses them so you cant get a used seat, and they said the wiring is gold. On inspection I found that the wiring is copper, not gold. I think we are being scammed and they don't want to fix it since it is still under warranty. I can't even find where the clips could have been grabbing to where it would cause damage to the seat. What do you think?
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RE: Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
Ok, looked at the receipt for the work and here is the code the car gave. B2295[29] Driver Air Bag Side - Open Circuit (Flash 22). It just says seat cover strap wrapped around wiring harness but they didnt actually find a source for the problem. In the event of an airbag or seat belt failure, the manufacturer must repair it. There is no damage to the seat wiring that I see. This issue is apparently for the side airbag which would have been blocked by the seat covers which are now removed. What do you think guys?
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I've heard of gold plated connectors but I can't imagine they'd be using gold wire.
Did she have sheepskin seat covers installed? Those kind of seat covers usually do have straps that fasten under the seat and they may have grabbed a wire or two but I would think it would be an easy repair. Add in the fact that she now has a safety issue and I imagine Jaguar would want it fixed ASAP.
There are some very talented Jaguar technicians here that will probably give you an accurate answer.
Did she have sheepskin seat covers installed? Those kind of seat covers usually do have straps that fasten under the seat and they may have grabbed a wire or two but I would think it would be an easy repair. Add in the fact that she now has a safety issue and I imagine Jaguar would want it fixed ASAP.
There are some very talented Jaguar technicians here that will probably give you an accurate answer.
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RE: Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
I would say the drivers seat harness is faulty. Very common problem. The seat cover is unlikely to have cause the problem.
I would remove the seat covers, and take it to the other dealer there. Houston has 2. Momentum and Park place? Anyway, take it to the other one and they will replace the harness. Just don't tell them anything. Only that your airbag light keeps coming on.
Them telling you that you have to replace the seat is complete BS. The harness is available.
Please don't direct them to this forum either.
Hope this helps.
I would remove the seat covers, and take it to the other dealer there. Houston has 2. Momentum and Park place? Anyway, take it to the other one and they will replace the harness. Just don't tell them anything. Only that your airbag light keeps coming on.
Them telling you that you have to replace the seat is complete BS. The harness is available.
Please don't direct them to this forum either.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
Well, I talked to the service manager at the shop, Motorcars LTD. and he tried to talk his way out of everything. He said his mechanic found a yellow wire towards the front of the seat that was pulled out of the connector. Its a two wire yellow connector that hooks to the wiring on the floor. He says they plugged it back in, and the light was still on and they believe the wire being pulled caused a short in the harness. I saw that same wire when I took the seat out, so I peeled back some of the coating and found no break so then I did a continuity check and that was good. To take the pin out, I had to use a pick to remove the red lock, then I had to use the pick to keep the plastic clip up while I pulled on the wire. I can't see how the loose strap could have enough force to pull the double locked pin. Its a pretty secure setup. I also saw no bare metal or arching or anything around that area so I rule out nuking something farther up the chain.
Furthermore, they told my parents the car had no warranty and thats why they charged them for the fuel injection servicing and fuel filter change. The car also was running a little rough, and stalled a couple times backing out of the sloped driveway. They did a $281 fuel injection servicing with BG cleaner. And then they replaced the fuel filter for $130. Fuel injection is covered under the warranty, specifically stated in the book. And the servicing was performed to fix a fuel injection malfunction; clogged injectors leading to misfiring. So it wasnt routine maintenance. As for the fuel filter, its required at 60,000, the car currently has 34,000. So that wasn't routine either.
I think the seat should be repaired under the warranty, and I think they should be reimbursed for the fuel injection servicing and the fuel filter. I called 1 800 4 JAGUARS, and they verified the warranty is good till Jan '09.
Furthermore, they told my parents the car had no warranty and thats why they charged them for the fuel injection servicing and fuel filter change. The car also was running a little rough, and stalled a couple times backing out of the sloped driveway. They did a $281 fuel injection servicing with BG cleaner. And then they replaced the fuel filter for $130. Fuel injection is covered under the warranty, specifically stated in the book. And the servicing was performed to fix a fuel injection malfunction; clogged injectors leading to misfiring. So it wasnt routine maintenance. As for the fuel filter, its required at 60,000, the car currently has 34,000. So that wasn't routine either.
I think the seat should be repaired under the warranty, and I think they should be reimbursed for the fuel injection servicing and the fuel filter. I called 1 800 4 JAGUARS, and they verified the warranty is good till Jan '09.
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RE: Airbag light stays on in 2005 XKR Convertible.
The bumper to bumper warranty covers EVERYTHING except, brakes, tires and .......thats it other than damage that is not warranty problem.
Definitly get the money back. That is BS if they charged for the injector cleaning and filter. That is actually down right fraudulant activity. There is a contract with the manufacturer that allows your parents to have their vehicle repaired at no cost to them for covered items. And the seat harnesses go bad all the time on the XK. Go to a different dealer if they are theiving. I would also call Jaguar and tell them what is going on charging for covered repairs and dealer tellign you there is no warranty on the car when there is. Sound like they just taking advantage of your folks.
Definitly get the money back. That is BS if they charged for the injector cleaning and filter. That is actually down right fraudulant activity. There is a contract with the manufacturer that allows your parents to have their vehicle repaired at no cost to them for covered items. And the seat harnesses go bad all the time on the XK. Go to a different dealer if they are theiving. I would also call Jaguar and tell them what is going on charging for covered repairs and dealer tellign you there is no warranty on the car when there is. Sound like they just taking advantage of your folks.
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I would say the drivers seat harness is faulty. Very common problem. The seat cover is unlikely to have cause the problem.
I would remove the seat covers, and take it to the other dealer there. Houston has 2. Momentum and Park place? Anyway, take it to the other one and they will replace the harness. Just don't tell them anything. Only that your airbag light keeps coming on.
Them telling you that you have to replace the seat is complete BS. The harness is available.
Please don't direct them to this forum either.
Hope this helps.
I would remove the seat covers, and take it to the other dealer there. Houston has 2. Momentum and Park place? Anyway, take it to the other one and they will replace the harness. Just don't tell them anything. Only that your airbag light keeps coming on.
Them telling you that you have to replace the seat is complete BS. The harness is available.
Please don't direct them to this forum either.
Hope this helps.
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Better to start a new thread and explain what you need to do with the restraint system.
Graham
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This next bit is important.....disconnect the (-) from the battery and "wait" at least a cup of T..... long before you un-plug anything.
Turn the seat upside down and inspect the wiring and the case of the seat controller to make sure it's not been smashed of it's fixings. If all looks OK then it's likely to be the connector to the bolster air bag, connector is either adrift or needs working due to a poor connection.
There is a you tube video from SAM to show you how to tackle the seat skin. Do not use a DVM on the air bag system with the battery connected, it is a very sensitive bit of kit and will cost you dearly if you do. TS
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