Stick up an down steering column fix...FAQ
#21
05-05-2011, 06:48 PM
Added to my "to do's" ! Thanks for the post Mish! As you worked on this was there any place to "grease" the joints?? Mine started to make noise when it was going down and now sometimes it will make a grinding noise when going up. It is not all the time but it is temperature sensitive when it does it. Cooler temps are more likely to make the noise. I guess it could be just the motor doing it too but then it would do it more often and up, down , in or out i would think. Anyone else have a groan when the steering sets itself???
#23
06-08-2011, 10:35 AM
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Apologies for bumping a relatively old thread, but I have just repaired my sticking column using MishMish's how-to and it works a treat. It took me an hour, mainly because it's a pretty tight squeeze under the steering column, but other than that it worked fantastically.
Thank you so much, MishMash
I have just one question: how on Earth do you guys find these solutions? Even if I had known which parts to dismantle, I would never have guessed in a million years that the problem could be solved by simply flattening the tiny washer inside. How did you figure that one out??!!
Anyway, however you did it, you saved me $$$ on a main dealer fix, particularly as Jaguar dealers in France are few and far between.
Merci beaucoup
Thank you so much, MishMash
I have just one question: how on Earth do you guys find these solutions? Even if I had known which parts to dismantle, I would never have guessed in a million years that the problem could be solved by simply flattening the tiny washer inside. How did you figure that one out??!!Anyway, however you did it, you saved me $$$ on a main dealer fix, particularly as Jaguar dealers in France are few and far between.
Merci beaucoup
Last edited by Frog; 06-09-2011 at 01:24 AM.
#24
06-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Mish Mish I fixed my tilt wheel a month or so ago. Followed your directions except for the washer. Tried to flatten but did do such a good job. Worked fine for about a week then the same Gremlins came back. Last week I took the motor out again. This time I left the washer out and sprayed contact cleaner inside the poteniomitor. Now it works better then ever. Thanks again!!! Jack
#25
06-09-2011, 01:26 AM
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Mish Mish I fixed my tilt wheel a month or so ago. Followed your directions except for the washer. Tried to flatten but did do such a good job. Worked fine for about a week then the same Gremlins came back. Last week I took the motor out again. This time I left the washer out and sprayed contact cleaner inside the poteniomitor. Now it works better then ever. Thanks again!!! Jack
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#26
06-09-2011, 08:13 AM
Apologies for bumping a relatively old thread, but I have just repaired my sticking column using MishMish's how-to and it works a treat. It took me an hour, mainly because it's a pretty tight squeeze under the steering column, but other than that it worked fantastically.
Thank you so much, MishMash I have just one question: how on Earth do you guys find these solutions? Even if I had known which parts to dismantle, I would never have guessed in a million years that the problem could be solved by simply flattening the tiny washer inside. How did you figure that one out??!!
Anyway, however you did it, you saved me $$$ on a main dealer fix, particularly as Jaguar dealers in France are few and far between.
Merci beaucoup
Thank you so much, MishMash
I have just one question: how on Earth do you guys find these solutions? Even if I had known which parts to dismantle, I would never have guessed in a million years that the problem could be solved by simply flattening the tiny washer inside. How did you figure that one out??!!Anyway, however you did it, you saved me $$$ on a main dealer fix, particularly as Jaguar dealers in France are few and far between.
Merci beaucoup
When I opened my electric gear box assembly, I noticed that this round spring makes worm gear spin very tightly, so naturally I made it flatter, so it spins easy, like it would seem to be normal. In my case it fixed the circuit overload issue and made my steering adjuster work. However, few times out of probably 50, that I used it since then, I did have an occasional sticking, which went away immediately on second attempt. So my fix is only ~98% reliable, kind of like NASA.
P.S. It's MishMish - peach in Hebrew (apparently)
and thanks again for the fix
#28
06-09-2011, 10:21 AM
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#29
06-12-2011, 08:53 AM
Total Noob here (four week old owner), just beginning to work through the issues with my '97, and this is on the list. With mine, there is no telescoping movement at all, though the tilt function works. Is there anything else I should check before trying this fix, given that mine is not working at all vs. sticking? I also do not have the owner's manual, how does the memory function er.. function?
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
#31
07-06-2011, 05:15 PM
Mish_Mish Is your tilt wheel still working correctly. I fixed according to your directions and everything worked perfect for a couple of months. The other morning I put the key in wheel came out and dropped a tiny bit then stopped. Had to use multiple clicks on the manual switch to get it to the correct position. This is what was happening before the fix. Tried reprograming. It took a couple of tries then it started working like it should. Them it stopped working again. The next time I tried it all was normal. The only thing different on the day it stopped working was a. The car was not used for 2 days (this is a daily driver) and b. the morning temps. were the coolest they've been since the repair. Have you got any ideas on what's happening? Jack
#32
09-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Ok, here it comes!
What causes this issue is Bosch part, believe it or not.
Motor that controls the up and down is mounted right under the steering column (see picture), on one end it has little drive shaft, on the other it has potentiometer assembly. This assembly is very hard to spin and this is due to one very agressive spring washer. What happens is, when you try to adjust the column, motor jerks for a split second and then, due to excessive load, relay powers it down. Helping steering wheel up, or down does not help either, because it is driven through a worm gear... anyways, long story short:
1. Take off kick panel above the pedals, it is 2 8mm bolts, maybe 10 mm.
2. Take off motor-reducer aseembly, below the steering wheel. It is bolted on two allen style bolts, I think they are 5mm.
Please note that there is a shim, under motor assembly, for what reason I do not know, I did not re-install mine, because bolts are rather short, so I decided to give them couple more threads deep.
3. Unplug electric connector, it come out easy.
4. Slide off an open potentiometer assembly hosing, it has one screw and 2 little tabs to pull. It is Bosch made, so plastic is very strong, nothing breaks.
5. flatten the darn spring washer, or remove it of you like, I flattened mine with my fingers. You will see how much easier it will spin, after you put it together. Do not forget to add more lubrication, if you must.
6. Re-assemble motor assembly.
7. Bring the steering column up, or down manually, by spinning little drive shaft by hand. Now, connect electric cable to motor assembly, check if it works and then run it up, or down (with column adjustment knob), depending which way you moved the column earlier.
8. Slide motor end of the drive shaft into the column end.
9. Reinstall motor back in place, with, or without shim.
The end!
What causes this issue is Bosch part, believe it or not.
Motor that controls the up and down is mounted right under the steering column (see picture), on one end it has little drive shaft, on the other it has potentiometer assembly. This assembly is very hard to spin and this is due to one very agressive spring washer. What happens is, when you try to adjust the column, motor jerks for a split second and then, due to excessive load, relay powers it down. Helping steering wheel up, or down does not help either, because it is driven through a worm gear... anyways, long story short:
1. Take off kick panel above the pedals, it is 2 8mm bolts, maybe 10 mm.
2. Take off motor-reducer aseembly, below the steering wheel. It is bolted on two allen style bolts, I think they are 5mm.
Please note that there is a shim, under motor assembly, for what reason I do not know, I did not re-install mine, because bolts are rather short, so I decided to give them couple more threads deep.
3. Unplug electric connector, it come out easy.
4. Slide off an open potentiometer assembly hosing, it has one screw and 2 little tabs to pull. It is Bosch made, so plastic is very strong, nothing breaks.
5. flatten the darn spring washer, or remove it of you like, I flattened mine with my fingers. You will see how much easier it will spin, after you put it together. Do not forget to add more lubrication, if you must.
6. Re-assemble motor assembly.
7. Bring the steering column up, or down manually, by spinning little drive shaft by hand. Now, connect electric cable to motor assembly, check if it works and then run it up, or down (with column adjustment knob), depending which way you moved the column earlier.
8. Slide motor end of the drive shaft into the column end.
9. Reinstall motor back in place, with, or without shim.
The end!
It would seem that you left the column end of the drive-shaft in place (no reason to remove it I suppose) but as I will be replacing the entire unit can you advise if I will be adding greatly to the complexity of the job by disconnecting and replacing this part? Do you have a procedure?
The reason I am replacing the motor is simple - it is dead! If removal of the column end of the drive shaft would add substantial complexity to what seems to be otherwise a straight-forward job, I might be tempted to leave the part in place, blending old with new. What would be your counsel in these circumstances?
Other information I have read about this job suggests great complexity, steering wheel removal, airbag module removal, the use of special tools etc etc. By comparison your post is a breath of fresh air, for which many thanks.
#35
09-09-2011, 10:58 AM
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#36
09-11-2011, 06:37 AM
In my case the problem with the old motor would appear to be within the motor irself. To begin with I couldn't budge the drive shaft, this after removing the inners of the potentiometer, but in due course it started to loosen, in a very lumpy way and occasionally freezing totally. Makes me think that there is a problem with a gear wheel or even a bearing in the motor housing. In due course I will attempt to dismantle to see if I can make a spare.
Many thanks to Mish_Mish again and also to Pophen; I agree totally with the suggestion about removing the seat. Made my life so much easier.
#37
09-11-2011, 05:52 PM
Senior Member
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I thank you!!! What an excellent fix! It took me 30 mins start to finish. I removed that little washer/spring rather than trying to flatten, and all worked perfectly! I actually thought that the "stepping" was intentional (and annoying). Also, I too did not reinstall that spacer when remounting the assy. Oh, and when I removed the assy, there was a zip tie "holding the black plastic gearbox" part to the motor assy. I presume this is because the gearbox piece is just clipped on with a couple of plastic tabs. I didn't re-zip tie mine. I hope that doesn't bite me later, but it is an easy disassembly to do if needed. Thank you again for this great post!
I thank you!!! What an excellent fix! It took me 30 mins start to finish. I removed that little washer/spring rather than trying to flatten, and all worked perfectly! I actually thought that the "stepping" was intentional (and annoying). Also, I too did not reinstall that spacer when remounting the assy. Oh, and when I removed the assy, there was a zip tie "holding the black plastic gearbox" part to the motor assy. I presume this is because the gearbox piece is just clipped on with a couple of plastic tabs. I didn't re-zip tie mine. I hope that doesn't bite me later, but it is an easy disassembly to do if needed. Thank you again for this great post!
#38
09-11-2011, 06:21 PM
#40
10-05-2011, 02:07 AM
Veteran member
Well, an hour or so later, and its done. It only took me that long because I had to fix where a previous fiddler (most likely my audio installer) broke the lower tabs for the wood veneer around the gauges. Great instructions BTW, my thanks added to your post Mish x2. I almost lost my little plate that went between the mount and the car, I didn't even see it come off the part when I pulled it, but it landed in the footwell, so easy to spot.
I just yanked the bent-up washer, it was pretty messed up.
I just yanked the bent-up washer, it was pretty messed up.
