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Steering / stopping XJS question - 5/16/2007 3:00:51 PM

wayne64

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This new old guy has a problem on braking with my 85 XJS. When I brake at a low speed (less than 55) the steering wheel shakes side to side. No brake pedal pulsations just the wheel moving and it's starting to get to me. I have checked the tie rods, and may have a bit to much wheel bearing clearence but I did notice lots of movement in the lower steering shaft joint and when I grab the lower shaft its self I feel play around the fire wall. I see lower shafts being sold and they mention the joint is rubber?? Mine looks an all metal part. All info would be appreicated as I need to make a rode trip in August. TIA

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RE: Steering / stopping XJS question - 5/16/2007 4:44:57 PM

Jose

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the play could be: 1) the inner steering column bushes, (assuming your inner column has bushings) or 2) the Rack bushings allowing side-to-side movement of the rack & pinion which is being transmitted to the steering wheel. The latter is a common problem with the XJ-6 Series III cars of 1980-1987. For the Rack problem, John's Cars in Houston TX has a polyurethane bushings-and-bracket kit that eliminated the problem in my '84 XJ-6. After 10 years of using those, they're still going strong. You can also ask them about the steering column play to see if they have any advice. http://johnscars.com/

Having said that, I had horrible play in the inner steering column (and steering wheel) of my '65 S type which required replacing the Top (the end of the column at the steering wheel) and the Bottom (the end of the column at the firewall) Inner-Column Bushings.

4 years ago I paid $4.14 for the "new-improved" rubber bushings (they were originally made of horse hair!). Removing the Inner Steering Column requires a Service Manual every step of the way, don't try to guess your way through, it will not work. If you can't find those bushings for the XJ-S, contact XK's Unlimited in San Jose, California, that's where I got mine. http://www.xks.com/

So: you need a Service Manual, Jag dealer, $25., two inner-column bushes around $10.00, (don't hold me to that price), and maybe the rack bushing kit from John's Cars, another $25. or higher if they have increased the price.

If you can do all the labor yourself, you're in business, -sweat-equity-.

The u-joint linkage from the column to the rack? you can wait to see if the column bushes resolve the problem. You can start out with a good used one, I know where they might have them.

Let me know what you find out. And before I forget, that's one nice '85 XJS...

Jose

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RE: Steering / stopping XJS question - 5/16/2007 5:25:26 PM

wayne64

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Thank you Jose for the reply and the links. I should have mentioned that when I redid the car about 6 years ago I installed the poly rack bushings as an old timer told me to do. To bad he passed at an early age as he was my Jag mentor during the build. I do all my own work (except paint) and still would like to know how one lower is $190 and another that says rubber joint is $286? The column bushings I can turn on my lathe if need be, but that lower shaft joint sure feels like toast. Why the car looks so good is it's the stock 85 color but we added one gram of pearl to each Qt. of base color. Thank you as I'm real proud of it. Oh, I have the 4 book set of factory manuals, glad I know all about bonnets and wings ha ha.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getLocator&siteid=214626&chapter=ENB300&appSectionid=22&groupid=61028&subgroupid=0&componentid=0&make=16&model=Xjs&year=1985&graphicID=F300116&callout=2&catalogid=1

http://www.thepartsbin.com/repsite/jaguar~steering_shaft~reparts.html

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RE: Steering / stopping XJS question - 5/16/2007 5:48:23 PM

Jose

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Wayne, I agree, some of those prices don't make sense. But do a lot more price checking, the links you posted are not known for low prices. I've been shopping Jaguar parts suppliers for the last 16 years and I can tell you that prices vary, and that's understating it. Check google.com, click on IMAGES, then type the +part name +1985 +XJS, If you search the WEB, you get a lot of junk advertisements.

The inner-column bushings I'm referring to, would be on each end of Part 1 on the link that you posted, assuming there is an inner-column in there. (see the eBay link below).

also check:
http://www.jagbits.com

try eBay, you'd be amazed, for example I just found this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jaguar-XJS-Steering-Column-1975-1989_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33704QQihZ009QQitemZ190105997272QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I know the seller, (Frank). I've purchased stuff from him, and if the part is not what you expect, he'll take it back, send you another one, etc.

also check eBay Canada, lots of Jag parts there and the US dollar buys more there.

Sorry about the Service Manual sermon, most people never buy one, you are already way ahead of the game! Based on what you've described and done already, it's obvious the vibration can be traced to the shaft, so start out with a used one for the least amount of money to check if the problem is alleviated or dissapears, then you can keep shopping for a new one until you find a great deal. I always try "substitution" as the Service Manual says...and that means spending the least amount possible before buying a new part.

Jose

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