911 Carrera S Twin Turbo or F-Type R
#61
That’s true. The Porsche premium is very real and yes the engine placement isn’t ideal - but it’s what makes a 911 a 911, and Porsche’s engineers have worked wonders. Some focus only on the compromises but forget the weight distribution comes with certain advantages, for example when trail braking into a corner.
Still think the F Type is a great car, but can’t agree with much of the 911 bashing in the thread.
#63
That’s true. The Porsche premium is very real and yes the engine placement isn’t ideal - but it’s what makes a 911 a 911, and Porsche’s engineers have worked wonders. Some focus only on the compromises but forget the weight distribution comes with certain advantages, for example when trail braking into a corner.
Still think the F Type is a great car, but can’t agree with much of the 911 bashing in the thread.
#64
Better than 50/50? I'd still take the legendary handling of a 944 over the 911s many digitally managed vices.
The question is, are you building a sublime drivers car or a sub-optimized numbers car?
The 992 has little choice but to sub-optimize for numbers as 3450 lbs over 343 whp is not fundamentally competitive in 2020. Not at $120K base price, anyway. An old 2014-15 F-Type V8 is about 120 lbs heavier, but packs 155 more whp, so balance is an option.
Frankly, one rev in place and the fight for hearts and minds is over.
The question is, are you building a sublime drivers car or a sub-optimized numbers car?
The 992 has little choice but to sub-optimize for numbers as 3450 lbs over 343 whp is not fundamentally competitive in 2020. Not at $120K base price, anyway. An old 2014-15 F-Type V8 is about 120 lbs heavier, but packs 155 more whp, so balance is an option.
Frankly, one rev in place and the fight for hearts and minds is over.
Last edited by JIMLIGHTA; 02-04-2019 at 09:00 PM.
#65
I've got something else for you to think about. I had an email from the local MB dealer offering me a E Wagon. So I looked on line. The E Wagon will do 0-60 in 5.1 the same as my F-type. No wonder JLR sold 2280 F's last year. After the beautiful lines and the great sound there is just too much weight, and that's an engineering shortcoming. God help us if the car had been made out of steel, it would have weighed 5000 pounds.
#66
Better than 50/50? I'd still take the legendary handling of a 944 over the 911s many digitally managed vices.
The question is, are you building a sublime drivers car or a sub-optimized numbers car?
The 992 has little choice but to sub-optimize for numbers as 3450 lbs over 343 whp is not fundamentally competitive in 2020. Not at $120K base price, anyway. An old 2014-15 F-Type V8 is about 120 lbs heavier, but packs 155 more whp, so balance is an option.
Frankly, one rev in place and the fight for hearts and minds is over.
The question is, are you building a sublime drivers car or a sub-optimized numbers car?
The 992 has little choice but to sub-optimize for numbers as 3450 lbs over 343 whp is not fundamentally competitive in 2020. Not at $120K base price, anyway. An old 2014-15 F-Type V8 is about 120 lbs heavier, but packs 155 more whp, so balance is an option.
Frankly, one rev in place and the fight for hearts and minds is over.
The PDK, is stupid fast. It’s not always about torque. Tell that to rotary guys. I race RX7’s, and will pull on a mustang GT on the straights... let’s not talk about the turns.
The jaguar is beautiful and beats Porsche in exterior design. The supercharged V8 feels amazing, but a porsche will win overall..
I’ll drag race you in my 2007 911 TT... give me a shout if you are ever in Dallas.
Last edited by Shadow993; 02-26-2019 at 06:55 PM.
#67
sorry ... I’m a Jag and porsche guy, but the porsche will win. Trash it all you like... it’s a great daily driver. Front trunk ... rear seat storage... interior space.
The PDK, is stupid fast. It’s not always about torque. Tell that to rotary guys. I race RX7’s, and will pull on a mustang GT on the straights... let’s not talk about the turns.
The jaguar is beautiful and beats Porsche in exterior design. The supercharged V8 feels amazing, but a porsche will win overall..
I’ll drag race you in my 2007 911 TT... give me a shout if you are ever in Dallas.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJH3TIqRJk
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/jagu...eview-verdict/
#68
Anyone who believes RWD is outdated as just 'fun' in any car, but not possibly as fast as a AWD car, I refer you to the modded 720s which recently did 0-60mph in 2.0 seconds flat.
The fastest production car on the planet under $500k is RWD. Enough said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulz-j3Wh1NA&t=366s
The fastest production car on the planet under $500k is RWD. Enough said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulz-j3Wh1NA&t=366s
Thats funny....I've driven the 720s several times and drive with 5 friends that own them just about every weekend. Been to the drag strip with them multiple times. No doubt its fast but certainly not easy to launch!
More to the point..apples to apples...If it were AWD it would be even faster 0-60 and most likely in the qtr mile! lol
I certainly love the RWD characteristics (I do own a 500hp 2400lb Cobra after all) but launch control and AWD - when compared to a similar car with RWD - the AWD will win at least in a straight line from a dead stop. Isn't that what this thread was about in the first place?
Here's my friends 840HP RWD Demon vs my SVR - AWD...thats 265HP more! The Demon should destroy me even if I got the jump, but the Jag hangs in and gives a great fight. 1/8th mile seems dead even. And my buddy ran that Demon to a 9.9 that day so he knows how to wheel it.
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