I ordered a 2-liter, and I think I made a wise choice given the taxation in the Netherlands [ CO2 tax pushes V6 € 30.000 up ]. Now other people on the Discovery 3 Forum where I also am a member of,
struggle with this question as well. Also Portugal and Skandinavian countries have these crushing taxation... So I wonder, would some of you live near enough to each other and would you then be willing to try this out ?

I think the getting away from stand still is not much better with a V6. You'd have to revv the engine to 3500-4500 RPM to get the max torque. Try transferring that to standstill wheels. You get a massive correction from traction control,
something you would'nt get so much with the 2-Liter...

Then, once you're on-the-move you get instand 400nm with the 2-Liter. all the way to max RPM in 1st gear, while fot the V6, you need to get to 3500RPM to get to 400nm. My feeling tell me the 2-Liter is slower the first 2 secs.
Then its faster until around 95kmh, when they are both doing about 100kmh the V6 is far superior and runs away from the 2-Liter...

But I didn't test it or something, not two cars competing or such. Maybe a nice sunday thingy for some forum members to try out ? I don't even have my car yet..

Anybody likes to perform this test, maybe make a nice video clip once at it, from a dashcam maybe..

 

You must have too much time on your hands.

 

Hi Dan,
am not sure if I'm in for a drag-race, but as you have rightly mentioned in the other thread, we have undergone a very similar story on the car selection process. Considering tax in NL I would clearly also have considered the 2.0.
I'm based in Cologne (or at least the car is), Germany - so this is roughly a 2h ride in both directions or a half way meet in Xanten etc.

Once your car is in in May, send me a PN if you are interested to go for a joint tour, so we can experience both car's on the road together.
Maybe we find a V8 till then as well ;-)

-- Edit --
To add to above, I actually did a very similar paper exercise when the 2.0 was mentioned.
Honestly, no idea on the outcome, I just can say that the V6 is on 3500 RPM in a blink of an eye, so am not sure that the earlier torque in the 2.0 is so much earlier, that it actually matters.

 

I can tell you, if you think the V6 or 2.0L is going to be anywhere near the V8 in terms of a drag race, it isnt going to even be close. You can see the published quarter mile times for each engine all across the internet.

If speed is your concern, you really should not have ordered a 2.0L vs a 5.0L Supercharged.

 

I think the V8 has 400Nn at aprox 1300 rpm 😉

 

@cgnFT . I will be around in june, when I'll go to the Nordschleife with my 17yrs old son... But I'll take the ringtaxi..
But in Germany you don't have the crazy taxation we have ..

Starting prices for coupé ;
2-liter , € 73.730,-
V6 340hp : € 101.900,- [automatic; manual =€ 115.500 ];
V6 380hp : € 118.230,- [automatic; manual= € 129.900 ];
V8 575hp: € 205.910,- [automatic AWD]..

These are the base prices.

So sts-v : see why we even consider a 2-liter ? Not from shear luxury.... As the € 205.910 is USD 261.000,-

You pay.. USD 121.900 ....

But you can not go faster then 60 MPH in most of the USA.. .. thats a small comfort..

@Arne ; whats the price for a V8 in Norway.. ..aren't they BANNED yet ..

 

We can appreciate the impact of local taxes/tariffs on the purchase decision & while that has to be accounted for, the 4 cylinder will be slower than the 6 which will be slower than the 8 as is outlined by Jaguar's site
https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models...ons/index.html

You can use that tool to see the following:
The power rating for the 4-banger is 296 HP & 295 TQ & 0 to 60 in 5.4 seconds which addresses the weight, transmission, etc. This is reasonably quick especially considering the cost savings. FACT: in 2001 the FASTEST production vehicle was the Mercedes CLK55 coupe (I had one) which had a 376HP/349TQ hand-built engine in a similar weight/style body has the F-Type was 5.1 which was faster than EVERY other car of that era so the current performance out of a 4 cylinder is amazing!

The power rating for the base level v6 is 340 HP & 332 TQ which reflects in the faster 0 to 60 time of 5.1 seconds. This includes all aspects including weight, transmission, tire traction, etc. Based on this, the v6 is basically 6% faster from 0 to 60. Note that the base v6 CAN be tuned to the faster configuration simply buy paying for a software upgrade to the engine ECM for around $700 USD

The power rating for the performance tuned v6 is 380 HP & 339 TQ which reflects in 0 to 60 time of 4.8 seconds. This includes all aspects including weight, transmission, tire traction, etc. Based on this, the 'tuned' v6 is approximately 10% faster from 0 to 60 than the base 4 cylinder

The power rating for the base v8 is 550 HP & 502 TQ which reflects in 0 to 60 time of 3.9 seconds. This includes all aspects including weight, transmission, tire traction, etc. Based on this, this 'base' v8 is approximately 30% faster from 0 to 60 than the base 4 cylinder. Note that the base v8 can be tuned to the same performance as the SVR below. it can also be tuned to exceed the SVR by using the right components and customized tunes one can reach 650HP & significatly greater torque (read as thousands of additional $s)

The power rating for the performance tuned v8 (e.g. SVR) is 575 HP & 516 TQ which reflects in 0 to 60 time of 3.5 seconds. This includes all aspects including weight, transmission, tire traction, etc. Based on this, the tuned v8 is approximately 35% faster from 0 to 60 than the base 4 cylinder. Note: The SVR can also be tuned similarly to the R as they are essentially the exact same engine.

 

@ Dan_NL - feel free to send me a PN before, if I'm in Germany at this time, happy to meet up!

True, the price difference for my V6 in comparision for a similar configured i4 is about 11.500 EUR here in Germany.
As my V6 was from the dealer lot (new) but except for minor details as configured, I had a actual difference of below 6.000 EUR.

V6s and V8 would have been another story in total and not fit for budget.
Your prices in NL are crazy - even with all the pollution discussion in Germany they will not touch this topic, or we need again a new government.

I'm currently spending most of my time in Singapore, here the V6 base is incl. registration (which is valid for 10 years) 400.000 SGD, so about 305.000 USD or 246.000 EUR

 

@ndabunka.. Need I say more... Thanks a lot for the extensive explanation ! I searched for it on the forum but couldn't really find anything comparable.

To sum it up : slowest is the 4-cylinder 5.4secs / fastest SVR is 3.5 secs... So on a trip I save 2 secs if I spend 3x the price of the 4-cylinder...

Only kidding....

Would love to have a V8 , won't happen I'm afraid...

Who needs a car in Singapore.. .. its about 3 miles across town ?! Oeppss.. I checked : 45km across town... .. a lot quicker..

 

Not banned yet, but they do try to tax these cars to death.....

Bought mine second hand in Germany one year old. Made it a little more affordable (due to import tax reductions on second hand cars), but still rather expencive compared to many other countries.

Good thing is that we pay a low yearly roadtax that is not differenciated.

Another good thing is that I think I have one of a single handfull of F-type R in Norway

Edit: forgott the price in Norway. It's aprox $260.000,- for a V8R, and less than half that for a well equipped 2.0.

 

....yep.
Dave

 

Or a case of buyer's regret.

 

The catch is the V8 has to stay in snow driving mode .

 

I think I explained crystal clear that V6/V8 are horrendously expensive in The Netherlands and some other countries. So I don't regret not having bought a V6/V8, but just can't afford it, like most of you wouldn't I guess,
at the prices here... ... its a artificial class system we have. If you have a company : don't care about the taxes as its all deductable.... For private persons : we can't deduct it,
but we also pay THEIR cars that they deduct through the purchase price of the goods we buy and the higher taxation for us as someone has to pay at the bottom line...

 

That is incorrect...just by example, here in Texas alone, we have MANY miles of roads with posted speed limits in excess of 70MPH and some that are 80MPH and 85MPH.

Deferred dispositions on speeding tickets are available provided that the final speed of conviction is not in excess of 100MPH, and I have heard of several jurisdictions in West Texas where the JP is willing to drop the speed of conviction in a manner that allows the deferred (basically meaning a straight dismissal with no convictions in 90 days...and anyone that cannot postpone a future citation from going to disposition in 90 days is not doing things right LOL!).

Further, in many areas of the State, agencies give 10MPH leeway, meaning that traveling in a posted 75MPH, you are apt to get away with 85MPH without much (if any) second looks. On the toll roads, one can easily run 90MPH without getting a second look since it is a posted 85MPH around Austin...

But I digress...

 

I've driven the base, the S, and the R though I havent driven the 4 potter but have plenty of experience with powerful 4 and 5 potter turbos, my missus have the 180KW XE, I used to have the 225KW s 60R. I also used to have the XKR, and now drive the S.

I dont think that the power from the S adversely affects launch at all. Compared to the XKR which was hard to launch with too much torque and not enough weight in the back, the S is actually much quicker in real life. 4.8 seconds on standard tyres is a realistic time, whereas 4.8 for the XKR on standard tyres was not realistic for the average punter.

On the other hand I find the 4 and 5 pot turbos a bit surgey - they arent great to launch and slingshot away once the revs build. With the jags you get a more direct "supercharged" feel if you run them in both dynamic and sport. I'm not sure about the new high pressure 4 potter, though - I'm looking forward to driving it.

The base certainly feels slower than the S to 100kph and isnt anywhere near as strong as the S after 100kph which really snaps away up to 160kph. The R really takes off at about 80kph and continues to climb almost constantly to 160kph, and is still impressive up to 200kph which is the fastest I've taken one on a track given the length of the straights.

I think you'd have much better luck funding the windiest piece of road you can and racing the various models there. That's where the 4 potter is going to shine.

 

A) I am pretty shocked there's not a 4 vs 6 drag on youtube yet.

B) I wonder when taxes like these will hit the states.... I also wonder when car sharing, electric vehicles with little maintenance, and especially autonomous cars all end up on the road, when insurance will become unaffordable and make it so the only human drivers able to afford driving are super car owners? Someday, it will all be fancy cars and fleets of Toyota. or is that a Hyundai? or is that a Ford? LOL

 

Why would you say that? Only owners of high-displacement F-types are allowed to be excited about their cars and talk about specs in the F-type forum?
Puhleez.

 

Why would you say that? Only owners of high-displacement F-types are allowed to be excited about their cars and talk about specs in the F-type forum?
Puhleez.

 

V8 would still win very easily.