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WhiteTardis 09-18-2015 01:26 PM

Exhaust Swap from V8 to a V6
 
I have an opportunity to pick up the rear section of the exhaust system on a wrecked V8 that I found locally for a decent price. By no means am I pretending to be a "V8" but I always just preferred the balanced look of the quad exhaust tips on the V8 over the V6 straight center exhaust.

Looking at the parts diagrams and layouts of the rear exhaust portion of the V6 and V8, it appears that its a straight bolt on affair. The rear is secured by using exhaust clamps and the exhaust hangers seem to be all in the same spots. The only thing I would need to complete this is the rear lower valance on the bumper. I don't expect the sound to change much as the muffler itself is very similar in design to the V6.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...36b5ed7fc7.jpg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a13dc1db5a.jpg

hardwired 09-18-2015 01:47 PM

Can't help from a technical pov, but I think you should go for it.
Quad exhaust looks much better than dual.

FrickenJag 09-18-2015 02:13 PM

I believe these will swap without a problem. I've been curious about this myself.
If you do so, I would interested in your stock setup for measurements if you decide to sell or would like to rent to aid in development.

Regards,
Derek Fricke

DJS 09-18-2015 02:14 PM

Huh - I love the tapered pipes on the V6, but each to his own. Interesting experiment nonetheless.

buickfunnycar.com 09-18-2015 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by DJS (Post 1311341)
Huh - I love the tapered pipes on the V6, but each to his own. Interesting experiment nonetheless...

Pays homage to the E-Type...love my twin tips but am interested in your experiment.

uncheel 09-18-2015 03:17 PM

It looks like there is a center path for the exhaust tips on the V6 that would be left exposed. Would you be replacing more than just the exhaust itself?

Foosh 09-18-2015 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by DJS (Post 1311341)
Huh - I love the tapered pipes on the V6, but each to his own. Interesting experiment nonetheless.

Ditto, I also find the V6 center twin pipes much more aesthetically pleasing. The rear valence design is also much cleaner and nicer.

WhiteTardis 09-18-2015 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by uncheel (Post 1311393)
It looks like there is a center path for the exhaust tips on the V6 that would be left exposed. Would you be replacing more than just the exhaust itself?

Correct. I would have to source the lower valance from a V8 car.

WhiteTardis 09-18-2015 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by FrickenJag (Post 1311340)
I believe these will swap without a problem. I've been curious about this myself.
If you do so, I would interested in your stock setup for measurements if you decide to sell or would like to rent to aid in development.

Regards,
Derek Fricke

Throw me a price. But I'm in California so shipping would be a bit pricey.

shift 09-18-2015 05:54 PM

I like the center exhaust, a little different. but go for it, interested in seeing how it goes. If you are really bold...keep the center exhaust and also go dual sides :-)

IRRBrogue 09-18-2015 08:01 PM

Curious, where did you find those pictures?

Unhingd 09-18-2015 08:10 PM

It appears the only significant modification needed for this swap would be rerouting the vacuum tubing for the valves, but that should be fairly simple.

WhiteTardis 09-18-2015 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by IRRBrogue (Post 1311588)
Curious, where did you find those pictures?

Diagrams and parts breakdowns are pretty accessible online.


Originally Posted by lhoboy (Post 1311589)
It appears the only significant modification needed for this swap would be rerouting the vacuum tubing for the valves, but that should be fairly simple.

It's even easier since I don't have the active exhaust. I just need to shimmy the valves to stay open before installing.

Arne 09-19-2015 03:40 AM

If you look at the V8 and V6 from "low down and behind" you will see a metal support beam that goes between the two rear wheels and under the exaust tubes before they enter the rear exaust system.

On the V6 that beam is symetric and "horizontal flat".

On the V8 that beam is not horizontal. It is not "horizontal flat" and is lower on the left side than the right. It looks like this is done to give room for the exaust on the left side.

That support beam is not shown in the pics above, but I would guess it goes aproximately where it is marked by a "x2" in a black arrow.

I do not know if that could cause any problems, but I would check that out first.

Unhingd 09-19-2015 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by WhiteTardis (Post 1311660)
It's even easier since I don't have the active exhaust. I just need to shimmy the valves to stay open before installing.

I don.t think you even need to do that. The valves are normally open. That's why the exhaust is full open on startup for the active exhaust systems before the vacuum builds up.

WhiteTardis 09-21-2015 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by lhoboy (Post 1311714)
I don.t think you even need to do that. The valves are normally open. That's why the exhaust is full open on startup for the active exhaust systems before the vacuum builds up.

I've thought about that but it really depends what position the valves were in when the donor car was totalled.

buickfunnycar.com 09-21-2015 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by shift (Post 1311523)
I like the center exhaust, a little different. but go for it, interested in seeing how it goes. If you are really bold...keep the center exhaust and also go dual sides :-)

So...6 exhaust tips? :icon_teeth:

hardwired 09-21-2015 11:18 AM

Funny story: I burnt myself the same way trip days ago.

Unhingd 09-21-2015 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by WhiteTardis (Post 1312973)
I've thought about that but it really depends what position the valves were in when the donor car was totalled.

I think the valves are spring loaded in the normally open position. That's why the valves are open on startup before the vacuum builds up to shut them down. (At least, that's what happens in my deluded universe).

DJS 09-21-2015 03:36 PM

Another member posted some awesome technical docs, of which this is one. I grabbed copies of them.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/szc3vze5ol...haust.pdf?dl=0


Here's an excerpt...





Each exhaust valve consists of a normally open plate
valve and pneumatic actuator.


The vacuum pump, solenoid valve, and reservoir are
attached to a bracket installed in the left rear wheel
housing, behind the wheel arch liner. Plastic pipes are
connected between the vacuum pump, reservoir and
solenoid valve, and between the solenoid valve and
the two exhaust valves.


In the pipes between the solenoid valve and the
exhaust valves, a restrictor is installed in parallel
with a check valve. The restrictor slows the flow of
air through the pipes, to damp the opening of the
exhaust valves. The check valve ensures that air
flows only through the restrictor when the exhaust
valves are opened, but allows the restrictor to be bypassed
when the exhaust valves are closed, to give an
undamped closing movement.


The solenoid valve controls the operation of the
exhaust valves by connecting them to the reservoir
and vacuum pump or to atmosphere. Atmospheric
pressure enters the solenoid valve through a filter
attached to a vent.


Operation of the Active Exhaust System is controlled
by the ECM.


Principles of Operation










The position of the exhaust valves are set by the
Engine Control Module (ECM) depending on engine
speed, accelerator pedal position, and the mode
selected by the active sports exhaust switch or JaguarDrive
switchpack.


On vehicle startup the exhaust valves are always open,
to enhance the exhaust sound.


When there is no active sports exhaust switch fitted
or when the active sports exhaust switch is set to
‘Off’, the exhaust valve position is closed when driving
in mid speed and load conditions, then open for
high speed and load conditions. This serves to both
enhance the sound quality in the vehicle and reduce
back pressure to enhance engine performance.


When the active sports exhaust switch is set to ‘On’
the exhaust valves open over the majority of the
engine speed and load range to further enhance the
sports driving experience, only closing where specific
engine operating conditions dictate.


If Dynamic Mode is selected on the JaguarDrive
switchpack, the active sports exhaust system will
automatically choose the ‘On’ mode. If Dynamic Mode
is de-selected, the system resumes the prior state.


When the active exhaust switch is turned ‘On’, a hardwired
signal is sent to the JaguarDrive switchpack,
also located on the center floor console, which in turn
transmits that signal on the High Speed CAN BUS
network to the ECM.


The ECM will also energize the active exhaust relay in
the Central Junction Box 5 seconds after the ignition is
switched on. When the relay is energized, it supplies
power to the vacuum pump and the solenoid valve. The
vacuum pump is connected to ground and runs continuously
while the relay is energized, maintaining a depression
in the reservoir and pipes to the solenoid valve.


The solenoid valve is connected to ground through the
engine control module. When the ECM determines the
exhaust valves require closing it connects the solenoid
valve to ground.


When the solenoid valve energizes it opens the pipe
connection from the reservoir and vacuum pump to
the exhaust valves; and closes the atmospheric vent.
The depression at the reservoir and vacuum pump is
then sensed at the exhaust valves, via the check valve,
and the exhaust valves close.


When the ECM determines that the exhaust valves
require opening, it disconnects the solenoid valve from
ground. The solenoid valve de-energizes and closes
the pipe connection to the exhaust valves, and opens
the atmospheric vent. Atmospheric pressure is then
sensed at the exhaust valves, via the restrictor, and the
exhaust valves open.


The matrix below provides an overview of system
operation, although the system will actively respond to
engine load and throttle angle.


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