Hi Mohammed,

I have merged both of your threads into one so that all the information will be in one place to avoid confusion. Please do not start any new threads on this same issue.

Cheers,

Don

 

Good point on both counts. However, given the cost differential between a short block and the whole engine, it's probably still much more cost effective (even to have someone else do it) to disassemble the heads for a full inspection and rebuild.

So sad. This was so preventable.

 

 

Didn't think 5.0 SC V8 had hydraulic lifters.

My understanding is hydraulic lifters on input valve camshaft on NA engines only.

Another slightly unrelated point is although the 5.0 SC V8 is in many Jaguar and Range Rover models the RR versions have different accessory drive belt configurations and more importantly larger sump oil capacity, put simply I don't think 5.0 SC V8 out of Range Rover will drop into F type.

 

 

Guys I read some astoundingly silly stuff on the Ftype forum.
I suppose because there is such a vast age spectrum the Ftype draws from.
But I follow it because we have the identical engine and many other parts such as the E-diff.

This one however takes the cake.
In principal, a guy who does not take advice from technicians and doesnt even know how to add oil, you are advising him on an engine swap.

Are you trying to make V8s go extinct.

 

He wouldn't have this problem if that was true!

 

 

That's what I was implying, an ignoramus might not know the engine requires oil, thats a good thing; a fool might *****-nilly add 1 liter, but it takes a very special person to think to add 2 liters of oil.

 

Taking donor engines from one JLR model and fitting them in another has been discussed many times before.

If you need a 5.0L S/C then obviously you cannot use a naturally aspirated motor as a donor.

If you take a Range Rover donor you will need to swap the sump, oil pickup, starter, lots of bolt-on stuff. Ditto if you get a RWD sumped motor from a Jag and want to fit it in an AWD F-Type.

If you take a donor engine from a car with Denso engine management to fit in a Bosch car, or vice-versa, you will need to swap over the VVT units, timing chains, fuel rails, some sensors, they are not the same between Denso and Bosch.

Supercharged 5.0L Denso cars are all of the XKR's until the end, XFR & XF S/C until 2012, XJ until 2012, Range Rover Sport L320 till 2013, Range Rover Vogue L322 to 2012.
Bosch is the new shape Range Rover and Range Rover Sport, XF & XJ from 2013MY, and all the F-Types.

When you have the two engines side by side it's pretty obvious which items need changing, but the core of the engine, the block, heads, intake and internals, is the same, just bolt-on differences.

Have a look at this tech guide it explains the differences between Jaguar and Range Rover motors Attachment 141962.

Long story short, if you have any two AJ133S variants side by side, you can swap all the necessary parts between them to put one engine into another car.

 

And seriously, enough of the petty snarky comments and cheap shots, the F-Type subforum provides a steady stream of drama for the moderation team to deal with, and it's becoming quite tiresome.

If it's not something you would say to someone's face, don't say it here.

 

Thanks Cambo.
Like I said way back in post # 35, "If it's just the short block then my understanding is that any AJ133 SC will work, so that covers RR, XKR, XFR, XJR and F-Type from 2009 to now."
I maybe should have emphasised "just the short block" as that is what the OP asked about, it seems many posters in this thread completely missed that important qualifier.

 

Quickly, someone call a pedant.

 

 

Alright I will help.

Your best option in UAE is to go with a new engine. On a AWD FtypeR. If the rest of the car is perfect.
Here is the secret, if you look carefully, the price of a new engine and used engine is about the same.
Actually in many cases the used is more expensive.

For example. 125,000 miles on this engine and they want $5k. Thats twice the price of new engine to me. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Jaguar-XF-5-0L-Engine-Motor-8cyl-OEM-125K-Miles-LKQ-203474429/362558915213?fits=Model%3AXK%7CMake%3AJaguar&epid= 15028163122&hash=item546a32028d:g:PNMAAOSwk~VcZ22P

With a new engine you will have a new car, with an old used engine you will have a old car with reduced performance. These engine dont have the same power after they get past 70,000 miles.

Here is what I would do, go offer the service manager at the dealership $1000 to help you get an engine at their cost.

 

out of curiosity, do you know what the "at cost" price of a new engine is?

 

I do not. I dont know the retail price either.
Should be fairly easy to find out with a friend behind the counter or industry.

 

I'm confused:

not tryna be a ******** but I really doubt a new long block from Jaguar is anywhere near as cheap as the used motors.

 

I THINK this is a complete engine (without manifolds or S/C) (near as I can find) for a '14 - '15 V8. Part number CD249711

http://www.jaguarparts.com/2014-jagu...C2D49711-item/

$29, 421.50 after a whopping 2% discount! (Shipping not included)