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Rather than quote a zillion "internet experts," just read the law. It is crystal clear that it applies to every car...

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01720180AB1824

​​​​​​"Existing law requires every motor vehicle subject to registration to be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise and prohibits a muffler or exhaust system from being equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device. Existing law further prohibits the modification of an exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner that will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle exceeds existing noise limits."

As has been said above, the only thing that changed in 2019 is that you must now present the car and have it certified compliant by a State sanctioned referee, then present that certificate to a judge before you may again register the car in California. Previous to 2019, you only paid the fine.
 

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Originally Posted by lizzardo
That depends on what a "bypass switch" is. If the loud setting passes the test, the valving doesn't bypass that, but adds extra muffling.
It removes the extra muffling if you operate the switch in D.
 
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It removes the extra muffling if you operate the switch in D.
Keep in mind, the OEM "bypass" still routes the exhaust through the muffler and is therefore not a true bypass in the legal sense. The VAP Valvetronic is indeed a true bypass in loud mode.
 
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
Keep in mind, the OEM "bypass" still routes the exhaust through the muffler and is therefore not a true bypass in the legal sense. The VAP Valvetronic is indeed a true bypass in loud mode.
Its been a while since I pulled fuse 43, but my recollection is the car reved in place just as loud with or without the switch engaged. In quiet mode, its very quiet on the move--which is why I pulled the fuse, the 6 hour reset is annoying.

Another thing to consider is software version. When my dealer accidentally loaded the Jun 2016 update on to my V8 without patching, the car was whisper quiet compared to the original software, with no pops and crackles. JLR probably saw this coming. The good news is that quiet software may provide an out for CA residents tagged by antifa, but there is no way I'd have bought the car if it was quiet.

Yet another question is if Carfax will pull an inspection fail into your history--they probably will. Any kind of negative Carfax event will crump your resale value by 20% or more. Most dealers won't even make an offer.
 

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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
The good news is that quiet software may provide an out for CA residents tagged by antifa.
You are just blatantly concern-trolling.

So far in your brief history on this forum you raved about nuclear meltdowns and radioactive pollution, Tesla finances, electric cars, cost of electricity, California regulations, antifa... what any of this has to do with Jaguars?

 
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Originally Posted by SinF
You are just blatantly concern-trolling.

So far in your brief history on this forum you raved about nuclear meltdowns, electric cars, cost of electricity, California regulations, antifa... what any of this has to do with Jaguars?

If you can't see the problem with F-Types being, unquestionably, non-registerable once ticketed in the largest sports car market in the world, then you are not thinking rationally. My advice to you is don't read threads that overcome your ability to cope emotionally. For the calm and rational, California law is important.

You also seem to have a humor decificiency. Lighten up, Francis.
 

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Originally Posted by SinF
You are just blatantly concern-trolling.

So far in your brief history on this forum you raved about nuclear meltdowns and radioactive pollution, Tesla finances, electric cars, cost of electricity, California regulations, antifa... what any of this has to do with Jaguars?

Thank you for pointing this out. I too am wondering what the deal is here.
 
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Originally Posted by tberg
We elected Moonbeam Brown as governor twice and now Gruesome Newsom, there will be no way to fight this back successfully in this state. It will be 4th gear driving at low speeds for in town driving to keep rpms and therefore noise down. California ought to be called the SNOWFLAKE STATE not the SUNSHINE one.
Yeah, Californians apathetoically sigh, "the world isn't coming to an end." No, the world is not coming to an end, your State is.
 
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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
Yeah, Californians apathetoically sigh, "the world isn't coming to an end." No, the world is not coming to an end, your State is.
That's why we're Californians. It's chill bro, relax.

Also, I thought you lived in California as well?
 
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Originally Posted by tberg
We elected Moonbeam Brown as governor twice and now Gruesome Newsom, there will be no way to fight this back successfully in this state. It will be 4th gear driving at low speeds for in town driving to keep rpms and therefore noise down. California ought to be called the SNOWFLAKE STATE not the SUNSHINE one.
it is surprising that an Angeleno doesn’t know that California is “the GOLDEN STATE” and has been since 1849.
 
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[QUOTE=IronMike;2020040]good call. way too much worry over nothing in this thread... If the vehicle has not been modified, it is not illegal. Period.
Now the new law is quite confusing as written, but the operative verb in the legal requirement for citation is "modified".

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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
For the calm and rational, California law is important.
Wow, rational and California in the same sentence.
 
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Originally Posted by scm
Wow, rational and California in the same sentence.
Yup, does not happen very often here..
 
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Originally Posted by scm
Wow, rational and California in the same sentence.
Just another Oxymoron
 
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Any reasonable person would surmise the authorities are not going to go after the late model sports car crowd. When sold new, these cars were compliant and met all standards (National and State) and would not have been able to be offered for sale if they were in violation. If said cars raise an eyebrow, it is more than likely due to the fact they have been modified and will therefore be cited. If you are cited and can prove your car has not been modified, is in proper working order and in as delivered condition, you will not be required to alter your exhaust. Law Enforcement will undoubtedly be targeting the ricer crowd that blatantly have modified exhausts, drag racers running their cars on the street with the exhaust uncorked and motorcyclists with aftermarket exhausts. Trust me, the State doesn't want to tie up the courts with fringe infractions when there is PLENTY of low hanging fruit to be had that do not have a leg to stand on because they blatantly have modified exhausts. The OP should come back when his stock car gets cited and share his experience. Until then, this is all conjecture and non-sense.
 

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Again you have used the word reasonable and California together.

The F-Type was obviously not State compliant as sold, since a "bypass switch or similar" is illegal.
 
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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
Again you have used the word reasonable and California together.

The F-Type was obviously not State compliant as sold, since a "bypass switch or similar" is illegal.
It was legal when sold.

The exhaust is never not routed through the muffler so you aren't bypassing anything. If you installed a cutout, that would be a different story.
 
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Originally Posted by rexus31
It was legal when sold.

The exhaust is never not routed through the muffler so you aren't bypassing anything. If you installed a cutout, that would be a different story.
It's illegal as sold. The law...

"prohibits a muffler or exhaust system from being equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."

​​​​​The device is obviously part of the exhaust system. But it only has to be similar.
 

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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
It's illegal as sold. The law...

"prohibits a muffler or exhaust system from being equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device."

​​​​​The device is obviously part of the exhaust system. But it only has to be similar.
Our systems aren't bypassing the muffler and are therefore legal.
 
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Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
It's illegal as sold. The law...
The law wasn't in place when my car was sold.
 


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