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Old 03-19-2019, 12:59 PM
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So I feel like an idiot to even post this question... I've been trying to order track pads (EBC Yellow Stuff) - but there are so many different fitments for the F-Type that they don't know what specific size/version to send me. I tried calling the dealership and they claim they don't know the correct size, they just have the part numbers for me to order OEM from them (worthless).

I've searched all over and can't seem to find reliable information.

I have a 2017 F-Type S AWD Supercharged V6. I have the black calipers with the steel rotors. I roughly measured my rotors and I believe I have 380mm front and 325mm rear. Can anyone please help?
 

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Should be the 'high performance braking system', standard on the Ftype S (and what I have.) This doc is from 2014, but I don't think they've changed anything, though there may be more color options now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x0x62a2t0z...rakes.pdf?dl=0
 
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:24 PM
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Take a pad out and take a photo or go to a brake specialist? That’s what I did when I wanted better pads for my XJR to do some track work. I ended up with Pagid pads that were OE for a Porsche of some description, I had to reduce the thickness by about 1.5mm to get them to fit.
Side note, they didn’t last very long I now moderate my track driving (classic trials so consistency rather than outright speed) and use Rockauto pads.
 
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Originally Posted by DJS
Should be the 'high performance braking system', standard on the Ftype S (and what I have.) This doc is from 2014, but I don't think they've changed anything, though there may be more color options now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x0x62a2t0z...rakes.pdf?dl=0
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The high performance (355mm front rotor) was indeed standard on the V6S. However, the super performance was available as an option (380mm front rotor).
Reznik, if you have the 380mm rotor, you should just order pads for the V8R.
 
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:46 PM
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Here are the yellow stuff part numbers if you have 380mm front rotors:
front - DP42191R
rear - DP42192R
 
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Not quite, Lance. High & Super Performance both have 380mm fronts, but the standard high performance only has 325mm in the rear (what I have), while the Super has 376mm in the rear (what you have, I think.) You're thinking of the 'Performance Braking System' on the base, which has 355mm in the front.
 
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Originally Posted by DJS
Not quite, Lance. High & Super Performance both have 380mm fronts, but the standard high performance only has 325mm in the rear (what I have), while the Super has 376mm in the rear (what you have, I think.) You're thinking of the 'Performance Braking System' on the base, which has 355mm in the front.
I'm sure the OP is not confused now
 
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jaguny
I'm sure the OP is not confused now
DJS is correct, the standard brakes on the V6S are the "high performance" brakes 380 mm front and 326 mm rear, and the optional brakes (excluding CCM) were the "super performance" brakes, as fitted stock to the F-Type R and V8S, the same 380 mm fronts but 376 mm rears.
So if you want EBC Yellowstuffs pads for a V6S with the standard V6S brakes you need the 380 mm fronts and 326 mm rears.
Just to complicate things a little more the 380 mm fronts are all the same across the entire JLR range but the 376 mm calipers and pads on the F-Type are not the same as those on the XFR for example, as the XFR and F-Type have very different EBP set-ups. Same with the 326 mm rear calipers and pads, they are different on the F-Type compared to other Jags.
After some searching I have worked out that the part numbers you want are:
Front DP42191R
Rear DP42190R
The problem with searching the various sellers' web pages is that when you go to check vehicle compatibility for a 2017 F-Type V6S, they all default to the "super performance" rear brakes and say the DP42190R is "not compatible with your vehicle", but if you select the base V6 model (not the S) then the DP42190R suddenly are compatible.
 
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My apologies for creating the confusion.

I suggest you measure the rear rotor to confirm which brake option you have.
 
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Old 03-19-2019, 09:00 PM
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I have a front and rear new set of ebc red stuff I would love to sell. Bought for black caliper 2016 s but went carbon ceramic instead. New in box. Pm me if interested. Half price and will pay shipping. Too many parts. If they are wrong pads, which I doubt, you can return.
 
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
My apologies for creating the confusion.

I suggest you measure the rear rotor to confirm which brake option you have.
Lance, you are about 10,000:1 on clearing things up vs creating confusion. Actually 13,149:1.
 
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
My apologies for creating the confusion.

I suggest you measure the rear rotor to confirm which brake option you have.
No need to measure and no need to even remove a wheel, you can work out which rear brakes you have just by looking at them.
The 326 mm rear brake rotors have a fairly small blank area between the hub and the operative/swept area, while the 376 mm rear brakes have a massive blank area, see this pic of one of my rears taken the day after I swapped out the 326 mm brakes for the 376 mm jobbies:




The blank area in that pic is gloss black coz I painted them before I fitted them, but on the stock rotors it is silvery.
 
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Originally Posted by DJS
Should be the 'high performance braking system', standard on the Ftype S (and what I have.) This doc is from 2014, but I don't think they've changed anything, though there may be more color options now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x0x62a2t0z...rakes.pdf?dl=0
Thanks! this document looks to be correct!
 
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OzXFR
DJS is correct, the standard brakes on the V6S are the "high performance" brakes 380 mm front and 326 mm rear, and the optional brakes (excluding CCM) were the "super performance" brakes, as fitted stock to the F-Type R and V8S, the same 380 mm fronts but 376 mm rears.
So if you want EBC Yellowstuffs pads for a V6S with the standard V6S brakes you need the 380 mm fronts and 326 mm rears.
Just to complicate things a little more the 380 mm fronts are all the same across the entire JLR range but the 376 mm calipers and pads on the F-Type are not the same as those on the XFR for example, as the XFR and F-Type have very different EBP set-ups. Same with the 326 mm rear calipers and pads, they are different on the F-Type compared to other Jags.
After some searching I have worked out that the part numbers you want are:
Front DP42191R
Rear DP42190R
The problem with searching the various sellers' web pages is that when you go to check vehicle compatibility for a 2017 F-Type V6S, they all default to the "super performance" rear brakes and say the DP42190R is "not compatible with your vehicle", but if you select the base V6 model (not the S) then the DP42190R suddenly are compatible.
Thank you so much! You are 100% correct. I found my original window sticker and I have the standard brakes that come on the S - it is listed as "high performance braking system" - not "super" so I have 380mm front and 326mm rear. These part numbers are correct.
 
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Old 03-22-2019, 01:39 PM
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I'm still confused by mine. Maybe I'm just tired since it has been a long week and I just ate too much at lunch, but mine is a 2014 V6S with red calipers. I pulled the TOPIx since I'll likely forget to look at the sticker when I get home and it says "R Performance Brake Program" - so my assumption was the smaller rear, although looking at the above brakes document, it appears only the super performance was available with the red calipers? Since I'm currently trying to decide if I want to go the complicated route of getting my calipers painted or just go with covers for now (the more I drive the car the more the red against the orange bothers me), I really need to figure out sizes.
 
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PBBarb
I'm still confused by mine. Maybe I'm just tired since it has been a long week and I just ate too much at lunch, but mine is a 2014 V6S with red calipers. I pulled the TOPIx since I'll likely forget to look at the sticker when I get home and it says "R Performance Brake Program" - so my assumption was the smaller rear, although looking at the above brakes document, it appears only the super performance was available with the red calipers? Since I'm currently trying to decide if I want to go the complicated route of getting my calipers painted or just go with covers for now (the more I drive the car the more the red against the orange bothers me), I really need to figure out sizes.
If yours is a V8S it has the super performance brakes, 380 mm front and 376 mm rear.
If it's a V6S then it has either the high performance brakes, 380 mm front and 326 mm rear or the super performance brakes.
So it will have the 380 mm front brakes no matter and the only question then is what rear brakes it has.
Go back and look at the pic I posted in post #12, they are the 376 mm rear brakes (albeit after-market rotors), you cannot miss the huge blank area around the hub on these. If you have the 326 mm rear brakes this blank area will be a helluva lot smaller (smaller diameter).
The caliper colour is irrelevant as to the brake sizes on both the V6S and V8S, they both came standard with red calipers and black was an option on both.
It is/was only the base model with the performance brakes, 355 mm front and 326 mm rear, that came stock with grey/silver calipers (which nearly always rust like crazy!), and even then it was an option to get them in red or black.
 
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Actually, black was standard on both, with red as an option. Though as everything is upside down and backwards down there...
 
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If I’m reading this right, red was only an option on one system.
This is why I thought the color might be relevant. Oh well I will figure it out another time since I have to get up early to load motorcycles and head to the track.
 
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Originally Posted by PBBarb

If I’m reading this right, red was only an option on one system.
This is why I thought the color might be relevant. Oh well I will figure it out another time since I have to get up early to load motorcycles and head to the track.
Nup, my V6S came with the High Performance brakes and the calipers were red from the factory.
Now whether or not that was standard and black was an option or black was standard and red was an option is not 100% clear, at least not for Oz models.
My TOPIx build sheet says BRAKE CALIPERS-RED but that doesn't prove they were an option, as the build sheet list lots of stuff that was standard anyway.
But the point remains - unless you have a base model with grey/silver calipers the colour of the calipers tells you nothing about the size of the brakes.
 
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:19 PM
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Luckily I found the original sticker in with my paperwork so I know the answer now. The pdf was correct in my case - I do have the super performance with red calipers. Not that it matters to anyone but me, but still good information to have.
 


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