https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/ca...id-engine.html


https://www.thetimes.com/business/co...tric-wmgw9jsmr

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a7...-vehicle-plan/

And their response to the above

 

Jaguar's denial notwithstanding, the brand might nonetheless be developing a contingency for an ICE add-on that would only charge the battery pack. If implemented, the drive train would still be powered exclusively by the battery – meaning the corporate "denial" would technically be true.

The EU's new regulatory leniency toward Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, et al, is unlikely to have been ignored by JLR/Tata.

I tend to doubt that the London Times would casually give credence to fan fiction or just make stuff up.

 

JLR is not going EV only, the only current Jaguar model to be in the pipeline is EV, and we have a Range Rover EV coming out this year, but the rest of the Rover lineup is PHEV/MHEV/ICE, as will be most of the vehicles going forward. If there is an update to the powertrain system for Jag, it would probably result in a new model. Jag needs to move away from the lower value products to make sense as a company, any future offerings will be more along the lines of a high-trim XJ or above, and it gives a neat opportunity to move into the technology demonstrator role for the brand.

 

Every major manufacture (except Tesla) is doing the same thing and it is not a u-turn, more of following the leader. Till they get the everyday driver to like EV's, ICE engines are going to stay. Saw a great story about horse and buggy wagons sharing the roads with with cars into the late 30's here in the US, will be the same with ICE cars and whatever ends up replacing it.

 

PHEV is going to be the near future answer. No range issues, but most of the savings. Although for many drivers a full EV is just fine, there's that sense of 'OMG what happens if the battery runs out' that having a backup gas engine just removes altogether. We have plenty of PHEV Range Rover customers who drive them in EV mode all the time, and it works great for them. Curious to see what Range Rover BEV looks like later in the year, as far as range and ease of use. Our market will see heavy early adoption.

 

I can't wait to never ever own any of this stupidity called "jaguar". I can make no sense of anything jaguar has done. There target audience has always been conservative people (well men most likely) that want a nice big, comfortable powerful passenger sedan/coupe. Just look at the incredible range of vehicles they made last century. They could not have done a more effective job if they tried and completely decimating there buying public. Show me anyone over 40... 50 years old (there most likely market) that will put up with the woke stupidity of transgenders/etc in there latest adverts. Even worse, where is the new market? How many "transgenders" do you think can afford a horrifically expensive new jaguar. Transgenders isn't a market, how many of them will be wealthy and mentally stable enough to hold down any sort of long term employment?

If jaguar turned around tomorrow and built a nice big passenger sedan with a mighty v12 beating away as its heart ... even a V8 would do.... Hell, I'd even be happy with a lovely howling straight six.... If Jaguar did this, they would have an instant hit with most of the world that doesn't want stupid electric cars or "SUV"s ..... Not everyone wants a jacked up hatchback with big wheels that is pretending to be a 4wd or an electric throw-away. And this is all that is on offer from just about everyone!

seeya
Shane L.

 

More on the petrol range extender.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...36e59957&ei=23

 

That article makes some real leaps to get to it's conclusion, the 'drop in sales' was not from Jag, they stopped building cars and a slow down was to be expected. JLR took a 3 month hit due to the cyber incident, so last year looks bad but the company had it's best year ever the prior year, over 2B profit. EV's aren't going to change that one way or the other.

 

well written Sir, if a car doesn't have spark plugs then i won't buy it and these eco friendly nut cases are determined to destroy the car industry and haven't got the intelligence to realise that not everyone can charge the batteries living in a high rise building.

 

I should say, I'm not at all anti-ev, I'm just anti-stupidity. And what the manufactures are doing is nuts. High end EVs is just crazy...... why would anyone spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on something they will be thrown away in 5->8 years time as its battery is on its last legs (and a new battery is likely to be more than the market value of the car) You need to know your market, the jaguar enthusiast is most likely not wanting an EV. I could understand a chinese company heading that direction as they have no brand loyalists out there.

I see crap that is being built lately and figure an XJ12 would be one hell of a reliable and cheap car to run in comparison

 

New Car Buyers these days likely plan to trade-in a car when the lease expires in two-three years. So a 6-year battery life means nothing to them.

 

Battery warranty is 8yr/100k anyway in NAS market so it's not a worry for customers.

 

This is a point, however resale will be absolutely unbelievably horiffic if the car only has a few years of battery life left. No-one will touch it unless they can afford to literally throw there money on a bonfire and watch it burn.

You raise an interesting point though. How much of there target market does turn over there cars every three years. I have just purchased an old Jaguar S type. The first owner owned it for 15 years and sold it when she could no longer drive. I just purchased it from the second owner who owned it for 10years and has sold it when he could no longer drive. I'm wondering if a lot of the market doesn't buy there cars as the "special" car they buy themselves when they retire ... or to celebrate an event in there life, so they tend to hang onto it.

seeya
Shane L.

 

This is a great 2025 study of over 22,000 electric vehicles to determine battery degradation over time:

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-battery-health/

Key findings:

• Average degradation rate: The average annual electric vehicle degradation rate is 2.3%.
• Power: High-power DC fast charging (>100kW) is the single largest stressor, leading to degradation rates up to twice that of the low power charging group (3.0% vs 1.5% per year).
• Climate: Hot climates impose a penalty on battery life, with vehicles operating in hot conditions degrading 0.4% faster per year than those in mild climates.
• Utilization: The increase in degradation from high daily use is a measurable but worthwhile trade-off for the gains in fleet productivity and ROI.
• State of charge (SOC): For most EV use, there's no need to worry about avoiding fully charging or emptying the battery. Degradation only speeds up when vehicles spend over 80% of their total time at or near-full or nearly empty charge levels.

This is actually less than originally speculated by the industry as a whole. A 10-year-old EV will have roughly 77% of its battery life left, which is certainly still serviceable.

 

If you believe that .... I have this gold mine for sale you may be interested in. There is nothing "special" about the lithium batteries fitted to EVs. I've owned dozens of devices with lithium batteries over the years, tools, phones, laptops ... the list is long. The only thing they all had in common was a battery life of 5 -> 8 years. there is no magic pixie dust being blown over these car batteries that will allow them to miraculously last 20 years (or whatever insane claim is made up). Teslas probably have the best quality batteries (as its what they do).


Have a look at this tesla, they are scavenging the batteries for another EV project. I have no doubt this smashed car showed 100% or "almost new" on its battery moniter. Every single battery module as he lifts it out shows a considerable number of batteries leaking .... Don't worry though, these things are "special" so will last 20 years.

seeya
Shane L.

 

One difference in the automotive side compared to smaller consumer electronics, is we are really keeping the battery in it's sweet spot. We are not using anywhere near the full capacity, so "full' or "0% left" is not as drastic as it could be in other applications. In the Ipace, across 36 modules, 3 cells each, from 0-100% is about .35v per cell. They are about 3.5V nominal at 'service' level.

We treat the batteries much nicer than other applications, we climate control them with the A/C and heater, limit the power output to a smooth level that is well below what the pack is capable of, keep the cells all balanced within range of each other using cell supervisory modules. Most of the 'failures' I've repaired were to this monitor side of things, and in an overabundance of caution, as a vehicle fire is a bad look. Probably half of them with 'deviation faults' had exactly the same measured voltage as the other cells in the pack, but once flagged we gotta swap them out. Most were early cars that later became buyback eligible, the later packs are actually quite good..

I'll keep my opinions of Tesla to myself, but working with guys who were previously with them, they aren't leading the charge in battery quality at all.

 

I watched this You Tube vid on EV batteries by John Cadogan a couple of hours ago and found it quite informative:
I like most things about Cadoges, just a couple of his opinions I am vehemently opposed to.

 

I can't stand that guy and haven't watched that one. I however have never been able to disagree with his findings from a technical perspective (no matter how much I dislike what he is saying).

 

Man has little drive in the new EV. It's not an F-Type but maybe an XJ?