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And how's that unrestricted "migrant" policy working out for you? :-)
I like it here in Calif. Depends on where one lives. I live near the base of the San Gabriel mountains..My view now is thru some palm trees and a section of the mountains. 1 hour to the beach, very close to the desert going north and east. Quiet community.
Be careful..unrestricted migrants just may be coming your way..
Today Tesla raised charging rates 33% at every Super Charger worldwide to reflect spiking electricty costs, and imposed punishing fines if you leave you car on the charger after complete.
Meanwhile, gasoline costs are below $1.50/gallon in the middle of the country, and falling.
All while Jaguar works feverishly to convert the F-Type to a pricy EV so it can be quiet and drive in perpetual limp mode.
Today Tesla raised charging rates 33% at every Super Charger worldwide to reflect spiking electricty costs, and imposed punishing fines if you leave you car on the charger after complete.
I don't expect people would be too keen if I parked in front of the gas pump and then went off for lunch. The station might just tow my car, and they'd be justified in doing so.
Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
Meanwhile, gasoline costs are below $1.50/gallon in the middle of the country, and falling.
According to AAA, that's just wrong. The lowest state average as of today was $1.894 in Missouri and the national average for regular was $2.243. For premium it's higher. Another site I checked shows pockets in the $1.69-$1.88 range but I don't see anything lower than that. I'm not sure where you're getting your data but it doesn't jibe with mine.
Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
All while Jaguar works feverishly to convert the F-Type to a pricy EV so it can be quiet and drive in perpetual limp mode.
More hyperbole, and more wrongness. I'll only tilt at windmills for a limited time though, and this is not providing any entertainment value for me. Have a nice weekend.
I expect gas prices to halve within the next two years, and as low as 50 cents/gallon in low tax states within ten years (a terrible depression looms, and production cost is less than a nickel). When you figure that gasoline is cleaner as a system than electric, it makes you wonder what EVs have to offer to offeset the 10 year total lifespan, hours-long refueling, and limited range. But I guess thats why Tesla failed.
Cheapest cost of extraction is in Saudi Arabia at 9.5-14.3c/gal. Minimum cost to get the crude to the refinery is 8c. Federal tax tax is 18.4c/gal and state taxes range from 17.4- 58.7c/gal. The refining process costs about 24c, and local transportation and storage will average 23-27c. So the lowest price that gasoline could be available at the pump is just over $1.00 in Missouri ($1.40 in Pennsylvania), and that’s assuming no profit for oil rights owner, the refiner, or the retailer. At those numbers no one will bother to extract and refine. This all ignores exploration costs which can add another dollar or two to the equation. ($1.67/gal Gulf deep sea).
Cheapest cost of extraction is in Saudi Arabia at 9.5-14.3c/gal. Minimum cost to get the crude to the refinery is 8c. Federal tax tax is 18.4c/gal and state taxes range from 17.4- 58.7c/gal. The refining process costs about 24c, and local transportation and storage will average 23-27c. So the lowest price that gasoline could be available at the pump is just over $1.00 in Missouri ($1.40 in Pennsylvania), and that’s assuming no profit for oil rights owner, the refiner, or the retailer. At those numbers no one will bother to extract and refine. This all ignores exploration costs which can add another dollar or two to the equation. ($1.67/gal Gulf deep sea).
Assuming no changes in behavior transitioning from an inflationary paradigm to deflation. I think we are already in deflation and about to see deeper deflation than the late 20s/early 30s. I predict shocking low prices in 5-10 years. Problem with deflation is wages go even more shockingly lower, first, as the driver of all deflations is uncontrollable demand destruction.
The new Audi and porsche fast charging systems can charge the car in 12 minutes - but require 900 volts and 500 amps of power!
Right. And fast charging is the quickest way to trash a battery long term, assuming a 10 year best case lifetime is long term. Rebuilder Rich has shed light on Tesla battery costs which Tesla refuses to share, and wow is it ugly. His Model S had two warranty battery replacements ($100K) and three motor replacements before it went to a branded title.
As far as solar, even a small battery Tesla takes 5 to 10 days of Sun to recharge on a powerful home solar system. EVs are too power hungry for solar to help much, making them quite dirty compared to self-powered cars. Remember the EPA said if everyone switched to one curly light lulb (saving 100W a day) it would be like taking 800,000 ICE cars off the road. Now, they subsidize 700,000W EVs and struggle to clean up the Mercury poisoning they caused with curly bulbs. Imagine the emissions savings if everyone took one EV off the road.
It's one government clown act after another.
It's usually not the damage of socialism that kills prosperity, its the unpredictability of what might happen next when control freaks value human dominance over logic.
I bought the Tesla Model X in 2018. And sold it in 2018. It was an amazing car. Extremely fast and insanely quick. Nice to wake up to a “full tank” every morning. My 8 year old daughter loved the rear doors. Easiest access ever.
I sold it because after just two problems with the vehicle, Tesla is not ready for prime time in my area. Service was a JOKE (as in the terminally not funny kind).
I bought a 2016 F Type R (second one I’ve owned) and a Ducati bike.
There is is no question to me that the F Type is much more fun to drive. The Tesla was more like driving a spaceship. Too much tech (is that a thing???).
I think there is room for both type of vehicles. I just don’t think anyone knows if EVs are really the future until their widespread use goes through an entire battery depletion cycle. I ponder how that is going to look...
Question from GPA9504L :Too much tech (is that a thing???). "
Not to my mind, on two conditions: 1) The technology is close to 100% reliable, and 2) All but the basic technology to operate the vehicle is optional.
I expect gas prices to halve within the next two years, and as low as 50 cents/gallon in low tax states within ten years (a terrible depression looms, and production cost is less than a nickel). When you figure that gasoline is cleaner as a system than electric, it makes you wonder what EVs have to offer to offeset the 10 year total lifespan, hours-long refueling, and limited range. But I guess thats why Tesla failed.
this is whole time spent refueling thing is a joke. I imagine most ev owners plug their car in at night and never supercharge. I bet you and I spend far more hours refueling than they do waiting to charge.
this is whole time spent refueling thing is a joke. I imagine most ev owners plug their car in at night and never supercharge. I bet you and I spend far more hours refueling than they do waiting to charge.
For a short trip daily commuter, I agree, EVs are convenient. I'd like to get a battery-replaceable Leaf. The biggest drawback for me is I would feel like I'm virtue signalling. But I understand that EVs pollute and real costs include occasional battery replacement.
As far as actual transpo from A to B, I disagree that waiting for hours to refuel is acceptable. EV times charging times are painful and the indicated range is overly optimistic.
Making the F-Type into EV is a bad idea. These cars are GT monsters that can bury almost all muscle cars and hang with the rest. EVs make the worst GTs. Yeah, a few have great muscle car performance toward the begining of a charge, but that only works if you are close to home. Not much overlap.
I bought the Tesla Model X in 2018. And sold it in 2018. It was an amazing car. Extremely fast and insanely quick. Nice to wake up to a “full tank” every morning. My 8 year old daughter loved the rear doors. Easiest access ever.
I sold it because after just two problems with the vehicle, Tesla is not ready for prime time in my area. Service was a JOKE (as in the terminally not funny kind).
I bought a 2016 F Type R (second one I’ve owned) and a Ducati bike.
There is is no question to me that the F Type is much more fun to drive. The Tesla was more like driving a spaceship. Too much tech (is that a thing???).
I think there is room for both type of vehicles. I just don’t think anyone knows if EVs are really the future until their widespread use goes through an entire battery depletion cycle. I ponder how that is going to look...
Totally understand.
Here in the bay area in California, Jaguar service is a joke. There is only 1 Jag dealer I can use without taking a day off from work. And therefore no competition. I like F-Type too much, so I got one despite the dealer.
Tesla service here isn't the best and has really long wait times, but guess what, they usually give loaner cars! I wish my local Jag dealer can do that...
Totally understand.
Here in the bay area in California, Jaguar service is a joke. There is only 1 Jag dealer I can use without taking a day off from work. And therefore no competition. I like F-Type too much, so I got one despite the dealer.
Tesla service here isn't the best and has really long wait times, but guess what, they usually give loaner cars! I wish my local Jag dealer can do that...
The one in San Jose. A few members also mentioned it in that oil overfilled thread.
I actually asked the corporate about how the location of the dealer was chosen. They told me they couldn't control it. Whoever wants to be a dealer can apply.
It used to be that major bearings in the car needed maintenance. They would have grease nipples and every other oil change you'd have to do some work on them. Or so I was told by old timers. None of my classic cars need this.
EVs today are just like that. Some major usability limitations and engineers and scientists working on a way to address these.
Totally understand.
Here in the bay area in California, Jaguar service is a joke. There is only 1 Jag dealer I can use without taking a day off from work. And therefore no competition. I like F-Type too much, so I got one despite the dealer.
Tesla service here isn't the best and has really long wait times, but guess what, they usually give loaner cars! I wish my local Jag dealer can do that...
I suspect that, as you say, competition is the real driver for quality of service. I live within a 25 minute drive of 3 JLR dealerships. No issue with getting a loaner or good care and attention.
[QUOTE=SinF;2016371]It used to be that major bearings in the car needed maintenance. They would have grease nipples and every other oil change you'd have to do some work on them. Or so I was told by old timers. None of my classic cars need this.
Yup...still use a grease gun on my '76 Land Cruiser.
The one in San Jose. A few members also mentioned it in that oil overfilled thread.
I actually asked the corporate about how the location of the dealer was chosen. They told me they couldn't control it. Whoever wants to be a dealer can apply.
Ah. Cole European. Thanks.
Originally Posted by Unhingd
I suspect that, as you say, competition is the real driver for quality of service. I live within a 25 minute drive of 3 JLR dealerships. No issue with getting a loaner or good care and attention.
Exactly. Jaguar of Austin, TX has zero competition so waiting eight weeks for any level of service is the norm.
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