Tappets
Sooo, I changed out my supercharger and got rid of that noise and now I have the final 'Noise' to deal with, which my mechanics are telling me is probably a/the tappet(s).
They also tell me that it would probably mean an 'engine out' to get it done, which to be honest makes me very nervous.. It is not so much the cost, which would probably be considerable, but once I go down that road, I am always wary about everything going back in right.... More good news about tappets apparently is that on our engine, they are all different sizes and until the head is off and they can actually see them, then they can't order the replacements? Has anybody had any tappet problems? Is what they are telling me right? How did you fix it? Should I go get a 2nd, and/or 3rd opinion? From what information I can gather, I can just carry on regardless (it has always made this noise and I have put 20K KM on it since I have had it), is that wise.. OMG I am full of questions today.. |
My guess is that's what your mechanic (tech) is doing, guessing .
I would be surprised if it's tappet noise, AJ133 / AJ126 engine seems to be a little noisy, if supercharger has been replaced with new or good quality refurbished then I would suggest taking to a tech who has experience / training on this engine. My wild guess would be check for direct injection pump as it makes noise that can be similar to tappet noise. There's a technical bulletin (TSB) regarding noisy injection pump. Will attach when I find it Got the TSB from this forum |
Ouch, that really sucks Kirk. I had tappets damage due to one of our local "tuners" work over here. Why don't you PM me your contact number and I'll see if I can help?
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Originally Posted by Paul_59
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My guess is that's what your mechanic (tech) is doing, guessing .
I would be surprised if it's tappet noise, AJ133 / AJ126 engine seems to be a little noisy, if supercharger has been replaced with new or good quality refurbished then I would suggest taking to a tech who has experience / training on this engine. My wild guess would be check for direct injection pump as it makes noise that can be similar to tappet noise. There's a technical bulletin (TSB) regarding noisy injection pump. Will attach when I find it Got the TSB from this forum SC is brand new and is no longer making the 'Thock' noise that was contributing to the melee! I mean maybe it is me being super picky, but the noise is noticeable as far as I am concerned..... |
Originally Posted by ss23
(Post 2038140)
Ouch, that really sucks Kirk. I had tappets damage due to one of our local "tuners" work over here. Why don't you PM me your contact number and I'll see if I can help?
I will do, going out of town on business tomorrow so I will do it when I get back.. Did they have to take out your engine to fix it? |
Originally Posted by Kirk Morey
(Post 2038154)
Hi SS
I will do, going out of town on business tomorrow so I will do it when I get back.. Did they have to take out your engine to fix it? |
Originally Posted by ss23
(Post 2038140)
I had tappets damage due to one of our local "tuners" work over here.
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I didn't know tappet noise could be a problem on these modern engines. They were a big problem on the old 4.2 inline six engines back in the day. They required a stake-down kit to keep them from popping out. The engine sounded like a really loud sewing machine when they were on their way out.
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F-type engine is naturally loud/ticking. At least mine was from new.
I haven't heard about another case of tappets damage that wasn't linked to a cause (i.e. tune). |
Originally Posted by XJ8JR
(Post 2038702)
I didn't know tappet noise could be a problem on these modern engines. They were a big problem on the old 4.2 inline six engines back in the day. They required a stake-down kit to keep them from popping out. The engine sounded like a really loud sewing machine when they were on their way out.
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Click & Clack the Tappet brothers. God I miss them.
There is a garage that specializes in big tappet jobs. In fact every job they have had lately is coincidentally top rebuild. Dewey Cheatem & Howe |
Originally Posted by SinF
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F-type engine is naturally loud/ticking. At least mine was from new.
I haven't heard about another case of tappets damage that wasn't linked to a cause (i.e. tune). A combination of direct injection high fuel pressure injector "tick", the high pressure fuel pumps themselves and some but not all having a slightly rattly supercharger (coupler and/or tensioner). I have never heard of the classic old time tappet noise being a problem on these engines. |
Originally Posted by Kirk Morey
(Post 2038106)
Has anybody had any tappet problems? Is what they are telling me right? How did you fix it? Should I go get a 2nd, and/or 3rd opinion?
The forum is a relatively small sample size; so if I had this issue it wouldn't surprise me if there were enough out there to consider this "common". Something to note as well, my car was tuned before this failure, and the dealer did the repair work regardless. |
Hey Stohlen, would you mind listening to the engine on my XKR in this video to see if it sounds similar to what you're describing? My car also overheated and I've heard similar prognoses from the repair shops:
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Originally Posted by heuristik
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Hey Stohlen, would you mind listening to the engine on my XKR in this video to see if it sounds similar to what you're describing? My car also overheated and I've heard similar prognoses from the repair shops:
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I had a car with a broken exhaust manifold bolt that had a really bad tickling noise. At first thought it was a bad lifter or bearing because its frequency went up and down with engine rpm.
Could this be the source of your ticking noise? |
Long story short, the 'Brand New' replacement SC that I bought ended up being a knackered refurb (looked brand new from the outside, was in proper new JLR box), sooo, I put my old one back on and got my rattle back..
I am going to replace the coupler (the nose is new) and was wondering if anybody had bought one of these new 'Solid' ones? https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine...97.m4902.l9144 They are supposed to be genuine OEM from Eaton, but as above, I have been down that road before.... Or should I stick to the original? |
Cadillacs had similar issue with SC couplers, only few years back. Reading up on this will allow you to form opinion on solid vs. updated design.
My understanding is that if you do a lot of WOT to braking transitions (i.e. track use) you might not want a solid coupler. |
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