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derrickkendall 03-08-2020 07:32 AM

Thoughts on redesign?
 
Do you guys preferred new front end more than the previous? Sometimes I think it looks cool and other times it feels like the original design is far superior.

Cant tell if I’m just used to the first design and just stuck in my ways.

if there is a thread on this please link. I couldn’t find anything

scm 03-08-2020 09:48 AM

It's certainly different but I'm undecided on which I prefer. Why should I even bother to prefer one over the other? ;)

Eric_E 03-08-2020 12:01 PM

New headlights look too much like they are trying to have all Jag front ends look the same. Looks to me like a redesign just to have a redesign with no real improvement. Not necessarily bad but I'm happy with the MY20 look. Glad I got mine when I did.

Having said that, the non-enthusiants I know don't really notice the difference until it's pointed out to them.

Unhingd 03-08-2020 01:16 PM

Not so curiously, those with the 2021 prefer that design, those with pre-‘21s prefer the older design and those contemplating trading in for a new model are ambivalent.

scm 03-08-2020 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Unhingd (Post 2201303)
Not so curiously, those with the 2021 prefer that design, those with pre-‘21s prefer the older design and those contemplating trading in for a new model are ambivalent.

I'd like to clarify, based on the above (sweeping generalisation!), that I have no intention of trading mine in for a new model! ;)
Not because I don't like the new version, I just don't want to get rid of the one I have! :D

Eric_E 03-08-2020 02:44 PM

And if everyone liked the same thing how boring would that be...

derrickkendall 03-08-2020 02:46 PM

I hope it grows on me more. I have a my19 v6 and was wanting to get a v8 in a few years. But also keep it relatively new.

I guess I’m still in love with the old lights/hood.

Eric_E 03-08-2020 03:05 PM

I agree. And from this forum I think the older models are noisier (in a good way).

RacerX 03-08-2020 03:10 PM

I vote the 2021 is a small step backward in objective front and rear styling. More importantly it loses the car's quantum entanglement with the E-Type which is a much larger miss IMO.

BruceTheQuail 03-08-2020 04:19 PM

If the new face had been the original i would have loved it and then after 6 years the old face was the update I think I would have thought it was an improvement. So I think I prefer the old face, but the new one is very nice.

scm 03-08-2020 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by BruceTheQuail (Post 2201378)
If the new face had been the original i would have loved it and then after 6 years the old face was the update I think I would have thought it was an improvement. So I think I prefer the old face, but the new one is very nice.

Or you might have thought "why have they bloated those sexy headlights?" ... ;)

BruceTheQuail 03-08-2020 05:01 PM

I can remember when the F Type first came out, I was thinking the 370Z wanted its headlights back!

RacerX 03-08-2020 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by BruceTheQuail (Post 2201395)
I can remember when the F Type first came out, I was thinking the 370Z wanted its headlights back!

I remember Jag saying it was supposed to resemble a cat/Jag with its ears pinned, which I had thought to myself. Objectively, the 2018 sleepy headlights cut sales abrubtly in half. When will they learn to stop messing with success?

Dan_NL 03-09-2020 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by RacerX (Post 2201474)
.. When will they learn to stop messing with success?....

They eventually find out the hard way ; when JLR goes under. They are so hopelessly lagging behind in the technology department... ..old geezers like me don't instantly notice [ ..took some years..] ,
but the younger who buzz about these things and compare directly with other cars and driving them too, will miss the gadgets. I hope they tag along another decade, but I think its shut before 2030.

RacerX 03-09-2020 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Dan_NL (Post 2201763)
They eventually find out the hard way ; when JLR goes under. They are so hopelessly lagging behind in the technology department... ..old geezers like me don't instantly notice [ ..took some years..] ,
but the younger who buzz about these things and compare directly with other cars and driving them too, will miss the gadgets. I hope they tag along another decade, but I think its shut before 2030.

I think half of all existing car companies will close their doors in the next few years. GM, gone. Tesla, gone. Most boutique high performance brands, gone. JLR's survival depends on UK restructuring laws, I'm not familiar. Nissan gone. Lambo will be sold off by VW or go. Then randomly shoot a few more.

The unprecendented flows into sovereign bonds and US Treasuries is obliterating all previous records. IOWs, when Hitler rolled into Poland there was more than triple the business optimism of today.

With five major countries charging high negative yields just to protect your capital, and the US almost at dead zero from 30 day T-Bills to 30 Year bonds, the market is screaming that prosperity is over and equities have already been drained. Its all over but price discovery, and those prices will be eye poppingly low over the next few to 30 years.

Eric_E 03-09-2020 08:08 PM

In the meantime I'll enjoy my F-type.

Roadstergal 03-10-2020 04:55 AM

I can't wait to see one in person. At first, I wasn't that moved by the new face, but the more I look at it, the more I am starting to gravitate towards it. When I look at the you tube videos that compares the new features of both cars side by side, the 2021 seems to be swaying me. If the exhaust is quieter as some have said, that could be a deal breaker. For now, I will continue to enjoy mine. It puts a smile on my face every time I get it in.

Dan_NL 03-10-2020 05:59 AM

I think the 'acceptation level' [ or adaptation..] does not as much depend on the [lack of] qualities of the car, but on the way people get about the car.

I was surprised to find out many (most?) drivers in the USA do not really own the car, but lease it in some form. In the Netherlands people do own the
car by paying in cash or taking a loan. Leasing is uncommon for this kind of car. So here people just can not 'walk away' and leave the car as a problem
for the dealer or JLR or lease company.

Even if I would like the new 'snout' , if I would change I would loose about 35% of the new price in two years and pay the mark-up in price and taxes.

In numbers : list price at purchase was € 86.500. I guess - looking at prices - , I can realistcily get € 55.000 as a trade-in. Offered at € 59.000 .
Car still has a year of warranty and free maintenance etc left. So write-off is € 27.500 around € 1,- per kilometer.

After a big hike-up in taxes [ +€ 15.000 CO2 tax only), an enormous change in pricing [ 19" + big brakes was € 3500,- , now € 9000,- ) a comparable
car would be € 103.550,- . But the 'flat bottom wheel' and 'chrome bonnet louvres' are not included. If those were available it would be € 105.000,- .

So changing to the new model would cost me € 46.000,- . For that same amount I can by a 2014 V6 S with 60.000km on the clock and 2yrs
guarantee and KEEP THE P300 as well...

So there is no-way I ever trade-in to buy the newer model, independant of what I think/feel off the new looks..

Even if it would get stolen or lost by an accident, and I would be around to buy a replacement, if I would buy another F-Type, I would go for a
recent V6 awd or a V8 with LED headlights and DAB/ Flatbottomwheel / big brakes... ....and that doesn't hang around in the used market.
Just DAB+ and the big brakes are rare, even more both.

Holy F type 03-10-2020 06:13 AM

i saw it in person and i did not like it, the front hood seems way too wide and just a plane mass of just body without anything else, the headlights are too low and small for how much body there is

Ray Ray 03-10-2020 02:51 PM

The only difference I can pick up is the headlights, much prefer the old one, it's more unique, exclusive and most importantly, elegant, which fits the theme of the car.

The new one feels more ordinary, and out of place in respect to the rest of the car.


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