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Can I just say how much I enjoy watching Trey Gowdy in action. Brutal! I like his style. I watched him trying to get answers from some ex fbi man who couldn't have looked much more demonic even with red eyes. His name was Stotzkls summat or other. Nasty pos.
That is exactly what I thought when I saw his mug on AOL, pure evil. The Republicans ask questions and the Dems praised the pos.
 
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I'll agree Strzok looks a bit of a strange one, but come on the whole thing was a farce yesterday. Your government in action.
 
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The republicans showed just how corrupt they are in full public display yesterday.

They displayed their desperation in remarkable style.

Why are they so desperate. What has Putin got on trump and some of these republicans?
 
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This thread went quiet for two weeks, and I thought just maybe it would fade into darkness. Wrong! As soon as the Donald tweets moronic statements then follows it up with imbecilic speeches his supporters go on the offensive to deflect attention.

Lets clear one thing up, I'm not anti-republican, in fact I have voted for republican candidates in the past and may do so in the future. However I am ardently anti-trump. I believe he is the most divisive president in American History. That controversy doesn't spread to the rest of the world as they universally hate him. With the noted exception of his pal Vladimir Putin.

Lastly what is the crap about MSM? (Main Stream Media) Fox continually berates the MSM as the source of all evil and everything not on Fox is "fake news" Surprise! Fox is Main Stream Media. A billion dollar company with millions of viewers fits the definition exactly. Fox is bar far and away the most slanted, biased, partisan, narrow-minded news outlet since the days of Joseph Goebbels, Just once try fact checking them, really try it.
 
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I'll agree Strzok looks a bit of a strange one, but come on the whole thing was a farce yesterday. Your government in action.
Not quite as bad as the live House of Commons is, but getting there.
 
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Originally Posted by macdoesit View Post
That is exactly what I thought when I saw his mug on AOL, pure evil. The Republicans ask questions and the Dems praised the pos.
He doesn't look any prettier in video.
I'd like to share this website which is in my favourites. A British investigative journalist named David Guyatt.
His coverage of the Clinton's history is interesting reading.
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Originally Posted by Fulton View Post
This thread went quiet for two weeks, and I thought just maybe it would fade into darkness. Wrong! As soon as the Donald tweets moronic statements then follows it up with imbecilic speeches his supporters go on the offensive to deflect attention.

Lets clear one thing up, I'm not anti-republican, in fact I have voted for republican candidates in the past and may do so in the future. However I am ardently anti-trump. I believe he is the most divisive president in American History. That controversy doesn't spread to the rest of the world as they universally hate him. With the noted exception of his pal Vladimir Putin.

Lastly what is the crap about MSM? (Main Stream Media) Fox continually berates the MSM as the source of all evil and everything not on Fox is "fake news" Surprise! Fox is Main Stream Media. A billion dollar company with millions of viewers fits the definition exactly. Fox is bar far and away the most slanted, biased, partisan, narrow-minded news outlet since the days of Joseph Goebbels, Just once try fact checking them, really try it.
Any alternative news site which is not MSM is censored or the number of hits they received is being marked down so they don't appear in searches.
Apparently any fake news which isn't MSM fake news is bad and must be eliminated.
This is how the MSM news rolls:

Same old, hey?

 
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:55 AM
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I had better just make it clear that I do not support any political party.
I will not sign my name or my families name to them and thereby sanction the heinous crimes they commit.
Not in my name!
 
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In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership. In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down.
 
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Originally Posted by Jayt2 View Post
All left wing socialists (including news media) are blaming Pres. Trump's "immigration policies" for this family separation. WRONG.
Pres. Clinton initiated this policy and the left wingers were dead silent.
Pres. Obama continued this policy and again the left wingers were silent.
Pres. Trump carries thru with the SAME policy and he's a bigot, racist, homophobe, criminal, etc.

Every person charged with enforcing the law has the ability and authority to make choices. It might be the local dog catcher, the state patrolman, the county prosecutor, the Attorney General, or the POTUS. Each of them, and all in between, can decide how rigidly to apply and enforce the law. The decision might be casual, such as the state patrolman letting you off with a warning because he was in a good mood that day. Or it might be the result of serious consideration at the highest levels after weighing and balancing all the factors.

"Zero tolerance" policies, all the rage in the 80s and 90s, have a long history of backfiring. Very often there are unintended or very unfortunate consequences.

Trump and his administration proudly launched the zero-tolerance policy of enforcement. The separation of children from parents is the very unhappy, miserable, and inevitable result. It was 100% predictable. The children must be separated. It's tragic. That's why Obama did not adopt the wholesale zero-tolerance enforcement policy.

Trump and his administration consciously made the decision to adopt a zero-tolerance policy, knowing full well what the consequences would be...including separation of children from parents. That was the whole idea, using this misery of separating children from parents as a deterrent. The administration has virtually admitted as much.

Nobody held a gun to Trump's head and forced him to take on the zero-tolerance policy. Nobody twisted is arm. He made a choice. For a couple weeks he told us "I have no choice" but, as we all know, that was a lie. He does have a choice and he ended up back-pedaling a couple weeks later.


The socialists are complaining about these families being separated, but all the while ignoring the families being separated with mommy and or daddy incarcerated in prisons and jails across the country.
Left wingers dead silence.
OR how about military mommy and or daddy being deployed to destinations unknown and their kids wailing away at the airport and dockside.
Left wingers, dead silent.

There are none so blind as those who will not see..

Refusing to accept false equivalencies is not being blind. Quite the opposite.

Yes, children are routinely removed from parents when the parents are sent off to jail. As it should be and must be. But using the separation of children specifically as a crime deterrent is another matter. That's not just me saying that. Millions of others agree. Even Trump himself apparently agrees to at least some extent as he softened his stance on the matter.....after falsely telling us he couldn't.

There are countless circumstances and situations where children and parents must separate. They're not all the same....although it is very luxurious and convenient to pretend they are for the purpose of politics. Some are vastly more traumatic than others. Drawing an equivalency between A) children of a soldier leaving on a deployment and B) children being separated from parents at the border by LEOs as a method of deterrence, is, in my opinion, willful blindness. Two very, very different situations.

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Old 07-13-2018, 09:57 AM
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This is the guy Trey Gowdy was snarling at like a chained Pitbull.
The ex Fed's tub thumping on interview came across as disingenuous.

Strzok hearing backfires badly on House Republicans | MSNBC
 
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In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership. In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down.
As an outsider to be fair I would say that the Clinton mob are pretty effective at cleaning up any evidence,
 
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Originally Posted by Fulton View Post
Surprise! Fox is Main Stream Media.

That so many people refuse to recognize that ^^^ has always made me chuckle a bit.

It's a for profit, commercial enterprise that, like any other, wants more customers. Just like MSNBC, or CNN, or Breitbart..... or Buick.

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As an outsider to be fair I would say that the Clinton mob are pretty effective at cleaning up any evidence,

Heh heh, and let's not forget the Kennedys!

I, for one, would never hold up the Clintons as examples of high ethics and morality.

What bothers me is that so many refuse to acknowledge the same of Trump.

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Originally Posted by jackra_1 View Post
In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership. In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down.

Fascinating.

In today's political climate, though, this will be summarily written-off simply as proof that a conspiracy against Republicans exists. All orchestrated by the 'liberal media', of course.....as that's the oh-so-tiresome explanation for everything nowadays.

Conspiracy theories are marvelous things because, as we all know, anything that would disprove the conspiracy theory is simply regarded as part of the conspiracy. They're a perfect tool.

I'm quite certain that some conspiracy theories are true. Problem is, like the boy who cried wolf, when everything is explained-away as a conspiracy, a lot of the oooomph is lost.

Cheers
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I'll agree Strzok looks a bit of a strange one, but come on the whole thing was a farce yesterday. Your government in action.

I haven't watched the hearing. I probably won't. Not sure.

I've watched many over the years and they virtually all have one thing in common: it's as much about theatrics as anything else. They don't even try to disguise it these days. Very annoying. Can anyone imagine an actual court of law conducting itself in similar fashion?

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That so many people recognize that [FOX is MSM] has always made me chuckle a bit.

It's a for profit, commercial enterprise that, like any other, wants more customers.
More so, "wants more customers" directly translates to pandering to viewers, suppressing views and facts that would be disagreeable with their core audience.

Imagine following scenario: There is a news channel, called Vegan News, that targets vegans. Do you expect this channel to objectively report on health benefits of eating meat? Do you expect it to accurately present difficulty of meeting all nutrition needs with vegan diet? This one is obvious - you would not trust Vegan News to be objective about it. They would lose viewers every time they present views critical of veganism.

So regardless of your view of Trump, why would you expect Fox news to be objective about Trump?
 
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As long as the MSM remains Liberal biased that's what you'll see/hear. Times are a changing.

Indeed they are.

Over the years, especially the last decade or so and culminating with Trump, conservatives have successfully convinced swaths of Americans to summarily disbelieve anything and everything that comes form the MSM. What they've encouraged is not healthy skepticism. Not critical thinking. Not a consideration of multiple perspectives. They've encouraged, and achieved, wholesale rejection of the MSM. I'll repeat that. Wholesale rejection. This obviously creates a vacuum which to be filled with the likes of FOX, Breitbart, Alex Jones, etc. It's a classic "Don't believe them. Believe us" scheme. I'd think that any reasonable person, of any political stripe, would be suspicious but....apparently not.

And it worked. Better than expected, I imagine. It's undeniably one of the most successful political efforts in modern history.

The 'alternate media' sources are not one iota less biased than the MSM, IMO. A blind man can see it....but many with full use of their eyes refuse to. These alternate sources have their own agenda and own interests....not the least of which are commercial interests and gaining more 'customers'.

Personally I think it's great that these alternate sources exist and, in fact, liberals have many of their own.....every bit as biased as their conservative counterparts. The danger lies in entirely rejecting one for the other.

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Heh heh, and let's not forget the Kennedys!

I, for one, would never hold up the Clintons as examples of high ethics and morality.

What bothers me is that so many refuse to acknowledge the same of Trump.

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I don't doubt that Trump has some ghosts in his closet, kinda goes with the territory at those levels.
But old Barry and Michael are not squeaky clean either.
Reminds me of the old saying "do as we say not as we do".

Epstien's island was a whole black hole of despotic skullduggery and the plea deal put an end to the investigation.
Prince Andrew allegedly had a dabble over there, silly boy and his mummy was not amused!
This is how they roll. Its normal for them.
 
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I know some senior US politicians pop down to Bohemian Grove for a spot of singing and dancing around effigies of Moloch, all perfectly innocent.
But apart from the Bush's I'm not sure if any of the current mob are members?
 

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