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Oh, the end of World War I absolutely resulted in World War II.
The Treaty of Versailles was over 90% punishment on Germany.
That Treaty created the perfect environment for Hitler.
I don't know who came up with the terms, but somebody let their gut get into it.
We seem to have done much better after World War II, as Germany and Japan are now among our allies.

The current fear mongering is nothing new.
It doesn't bother me much, it's mostly noise fostered by people with political agendas. Even the media has an agenda, which is disappointing.
News media today is so quick to be the first to report things, they report them before they even happen. It's crazy but mildly entertaining.
Did they learn nothing from the headline declaring Dewey defeats Truman? Journalism and comedy have never been closer.
There has always been crap going on and people fighting for political power.
Back in the 1800's, will new states be free states or slave states? That must have been some discussion.
Civil rights was a bumpy road to say the least.
I'm too young to remember the Communist scare of McCarthy in the 40's and 50's.
Prohibition didn't occur without some chaos. I'm sure the Great Depression was no fun.
Today we just have much, much more media coverage.
We will get through it.
Keep the faith.
 
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Not true.

[Some] People have been complaining about it for years

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Mostly true (some people), but there has been no where as much vitriol as there is now. Name some instances in the past that has generated the "highly outspoken" comments against the EC.
 
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It doesn't matter who you vote for.

 
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Complete stupidity.
 
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Complete stupidity.
Nothing constructive as usual.
 
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Saved us ? From what ? All the USA did was enrich themselves after only being a third world country in 1940 and and at an important cost of US lives.

Not the USA, not the UK, not the USSR won anything, only the banks who financed wars won, and are still winning.

Now Germany is the only country in the world with an economic excess, compare that to the trillions of US state debt.

The USA went bankrupt in 1913 with the foundation of the Federal Reserve. The USA is one of the very few countries in the world that does NOT have its own money, every single dollar is borrowed from the Federal Reserve, which are four of five private banks lending money to the USA and getting a good interest on that money. The USA will NEVER be able to repay that and losing millions and millions on never-ending interests.
You can't support that.
 
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Be careful, I have an Ivy League Degree in Economics and a 97 XK8 for sale.
 
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Interesting read on the Founding Fathers here:

Note, the New Republic is typically viewed as liberal, perhaps less so now than prior decades. It does offer an interesting comment on the reason for the Electoral College which seems to be the same genesis of this thread. It's long and it is an OPINION piece.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1373...ers-power-grab
 

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This country has, in 240 years, been through: The War of 1812, slavery, the Civil War, the Spanish American War, assassinations of three Presidents, World War I, Prohibition and the gangster warfare that came with it, The Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Civil Rights issues, protests in the streets, White House scandals, The Gulf War, the Iraq War, the Kardashians, terrorist attacks, let's see, did I leave anything out?
Not to nitpick, but off the top of my head I'd say you left out a presidential assassination. I'm curious as to which one you don't feel deserves a mention: Abraham Lincoln in 1865, James A. Garfield in 1881, William McKinley in 1901, or John F. Kennedy in 1963?
 
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....but, not to nitpick.
 
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You forgot surviving ten seasons of CSI:Miami.
 
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The problem with the jerks and ******** in government are those ignorant jerks and ******** that continuously vote them in term after term. That is why I am for term limits ...and no, 16 yr olds have no right voting for something they haven't even been taught about in school.
16 year olds?

Where did that come from?

And have you spoken with some fully grown adult voters? Sometimes the rationale for how they cast their votes is....stunning.

Anyhow, back to teen voters with a stroll down memory lane.

A tiny episode....only moments long but one of those things you vividly remember...involves my father during the national discussion over allowing 18 year olds to vote. It was towards the end of the Viet Nam era. I can't remember the year precisely but I can hear his voice as though it was only minutes ago...

"If we're gonna send these kids to a half-way across the world to have their heads blown off, they should have the right to vote for which son-of-a-bitch is gonna do the sending"


Our government was not originally designed to have a year round employed Congress, they were only supposed to show up every couple of months to conduct the countries business, then go back to their lives in their states. The states were to govern themselves as independents, the federal government was to provide security for the states and work in conjunction with them when law bounded borders, but not participate in it.

The basic definition of the 10th Amendment is:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This aspect that our federal government is the go to source for how we conduct states business, has been totally misconstrued from poor teachings and people who simply fail to comprehend the Constitution itself.

This has me wondering.

When did the expansion of Federal government really begin? My non-expert notion is the Fed gov't might've remained small if the USA had remained a collection of states along the eastern seaboard. The massive expansion to the west, gathering up territories, changed all that.

I dunno. Just a thought.

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For the 16 yr old story.... https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/de...-give-16-year/ ...I am adamantly against this because the reason 18 yrs olds were given the right was for your statement Doug during the Vietnam War. I'm not against 18 yrs olds voting, but what purpose is allowing 16 yr olds...other than using their ignorance to vote for the Democratic party? They only know the mentality of Liberalism (because of lousy parenting) since they haven't had the responsibility of a job or having to provide for themselves or a family. They just think the government just has money, just like mommy and daddy, and they fail to realize the aspect of who provides money for the government to operate (i.e. AOC).

I believe the expansion of the government began widely with Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War, roughly your time frame DD. He needed to pay for it and began the taxation of income amongst other things and as it was stated as a temporary thing, evolved into a permanent one like all other politicians ideas. The New Deal was another expansion of gov't to include the Ponzi scheme call Social Security (another FDR big gov't program he couldn't say no to). Which has evolved into a festering puss sore of money given to those who haven't paid in and thus those that have aren't getting enough to sustain themselves.
 
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For the 16 yr old story.... https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/de...-give-16-year/ ...I am adamantly against this because the reason 18 yrs olds were given the right was for your statement Doug during the Vietnam War. I'm not against 18 yrs olds voting, but what purpose is allowing 16 yr olds...other than using their ignorance to vote for the Democratic party? They only know the mentality of Liberalism (because of lousy parenting) since they haven't had the responsibility of a job or having to provide for themselves or a family. They just think the government just has money, just like mommy and daddy, and they fail to realize the aspect of who provides money for the government to operate (i.e. AOC).
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Westernjournal is known for its waaaay far right bias. It is a total joke as far as actual newsworthiness is concerned. Your quote about 16 year olds is well total crap.
 
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Westernjournal is known for its waaaay far right bias. It is a total joke as far as actual newsworthiness is concerned. Your quote about 16 year olds is well total crap.
I don't care how right wing it is, its a truthful report...tell me its not. As for my statement on 16 yr olds voting...please elaborate or shut up.
 
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If senile old white people can vote why not 16 year olds.

Also do you think that all 16 year olds belong to liberal households? You seem to imply that is the case.

As far being "a truthful report" are you serious? I just say wow and now have a better understanding how your mind "works".

Not worth having a discussion with you.

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I don't care how right wing it is, its a truthful report...tell me its not. As for my statement on 16 yr olds voting...please elaborate or shut up.
And you damn kids stay off my lawn!
 
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For the 16 yr old story.... https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/de...-give-16-year/ ...I am adamantly against this because the reason 18 yrs olds were given the right was for your statement Doug during the Vietnam War. I'm not against 18 yrs olds voting, but what purpose is allowing 16 yr olds...other than using their ignorance to vote for the Democratic party? They only know the mentality of Liberalism (because of lousy parenting) since they haven't had the responsibility of a job or having to provide for themselves or a family. They just think the government just has money, just like mommy and daddy, and they fail to realize the aspect of who provides money for the government to operate (i.e. AOC).
I think the trend among teens isn't quite as liberal as you might think. The trend, I think, is more towards social liberalism and fiscal conservatism.

It's true that many support socialized medicine and (some form of) free college, but they're also keen on business and entrepreneurship.

Anyhow, I'm liberal-"ish" and both my kids (now full grown and married) have been continuously employed since they were 16.

What's more, conservative teens really do exist....

https://teenagerepublicans.org/our-values/

Millennials and the iGen Are Not as Progressive as You Think | Time

https://www.theamericanconservative....ghtward-drift/

https://www.yaf.org/

I'm not ready for 16 year olds to vote but, in all honesty, many adults have no more clarity on the issues than teenagers do, and are just as easily swayed by a pretty face, so to speak

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If senile old white people can vote why not 16 year olds.
Oh gee, I don't know, perhaps because they primarily only think about what's on their text messages and haven't experienced the world enough to evaluate a proper adult decision?
Senile old white people shouldn't be voting either for they've lost track of how to evaluate a proper adult decision.

For Doug's, ...naw, I don't consider all kids to portray a liberal type mindset, but most do or this banter about Democratic Socialism wouldn't exist. If more did have a conservative aspect, then more than 10% would serve in the military in some form.

Also do you think that all 16 year olds belong to liberal households? You seem to imply that is the case.
Take it as you will, I probably couldn't tell you different anyways. I would say there aren't too many liberal households when it comes to the Democratic party. They have been overtaken by Progressives and are a horrid type, they are 99% party line voters no matter the legislation and you can't tell them different either.

As far being "a truthful report" are you serious? I just say wow and now have a better understanding how your mind "works".
So you seem be telling me, that the Democratic Progressives didn't bring forth this mantra? Here's one from your side of the bench saying the same... https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/campaign-to-lower-voting-age-to-16-in-local-races-ignites-a-debate.html ...and please don't try to tell me the NYTimes is right wing.

Not worth having a discussion with you.
Good, your too narrow minded to have a discussion with anyways....you live right by the gov't beast.

Have a great life.
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