Maybe you could share the information on which fuse you have been pulling. See the section in your quote above in bold, red and underlined.

 

Yeah, curious to know about this fuse as well.

If you’re still at a dead end and determined on getting an answer, look up Omega Auto Clinic in Kansas. They run a YouTube channel called the Car Wizard. They are very reasonably priced, down to earth and seriously the best in the business.

And yes, people drive or ship cars from all over the country to this shop. They are that good.

Not sponsored, I just really like their channel and have seen them solve some of the weirdest Jaguar (and other euro/exotics) problems. They specialize in situations like yours, where several shops have been unable to properly fix issues. Who knows, they might make an episode out of your car.

 

Update 10/19/2023:
FUSE Specific:

• Passenger compartment fuse box
• F3 5 ABS/Dynamic stability control module, ACC module (2002-2008)

When you remove this fuse, the engine management system does not register any ABS functionality to include ERRORS. When you remove the fuse, you can drive the car without ABS functionality. In my current situation, without the ABS functioning, there are no ERROR message being sent to the engine management system. Therefore, there is NO LIMP MODE condition. Reinstall the FUSE F3, complete the circuit and the following error codes are displayed as well as LIMP MODE.
U0300 - Control Module Software incompatibility
U2202 - Invalid configuration
B2141 - Configuration failure
ASSUMPTION: "JAG Specialist SOFTWARE programming required"

UPDATE: Drove my car to an Euro Werks AEW yesterday. They have dealt with problem before.

More to follow.........

 

Hmm, nothing obvious jumped out looking at the circuits powered by that fuse. Please keep us updated with what the specialist finds.

 

11/8/2023 UPDATE: I did have to move the car to yet another shop for service. Apparently, the last shop indicated they felt the firmware needed to be updated for the ABS Module to communicate with the Clock Spring. So back on 10/17/2023, I drove the car to a European Car Specialist. After a couple of weeks reviewing the problem and all the prior work, they replaced the Throttle Body and the ABS module. STILL LIMP MODE! They also feel that a firmware update to the ABS module might resolve this problem, but they don't have the tools, etc., to perform this task. So, I am talking with yet two (2) new shops requesting if they could take on this challenge "LIMP MODE". To date: New Battery, New Clock Spring, New Throttle Body, and New ABS module..............

I'm lost...... This has been going on since 6/27/2023

Any suggestions????/

 

Have any of the shops the car has been to been using the Jaguar SDD system?
I think your last shop is pointing you in the right direction about reprogramming the ABS.
My suggestion is to hook the car up to SDD and attempt to reprogram the ABS. I say attempt because sometimes when using SDD you stuck in loops where SDD won't do what you want it to.

Good troubleshooting and I am of little help to you at this point?
Please keep posting back!
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11/9/2023 UPDATE: Drove the car home today after lengthy conversation with the technician/owner of the shop.. His suggestion for the next steps would be

• Firmware update - suggest this be done first to ensure that all modules are in synch especially the ABS module that currently does NOT have the correct VIN#
• Gas Pedal Sensor (found errors in this region after Throttle Bodie was installed

Unfortunately, the current tech/shop does not have the tools/software for the update. He suggested that I go to XXXX auto. He called the shop first and found out they had the tools and can access the right software from the Jaguar site for the update.

I also called XXXX shop, and spoke with the owner and he thinks I have a bigger problem. If you recall, this problem surfaced after Jaguar North Scottsdale conducted a 2.5 hour diagnosis of a gas gauge problem. Immediately following the diagnosis I attempted to drive my car home when the car went into LIMP MODE. He, believes as part of the diagnostic process, the Jaguar Service Technician connected their computer to the car and attempted to diagnosis the problem with their computer, thus loading my car with a newer version of software into the car. If that's the case, all my modules would have suffered conflicting messages and this is why IMMEDIATELY after the diagnosis the car went into LIMP mode. His major concern is, once the software is installed, you can't go backwards. One option would be to find another S TYPE and copy the existing software on that car. At this point, he considers my car TRASH.

Anyone with any thoughts out there????????

Thanks

 

I'm unconvinced the ABS has any VIN #!!

Don't reprogram (yet) - read codes using IDS/SDD or similar.

I think it's beyond belief that any shop managed to get wrong software in - i.e. I think you've been told a made-up tale.

 

Is there anyway I can find out what version of software is currently installed on my car?

 

Start with IDS/SDD (*) & see which modules it can see. Do NOT reprogram any.

It will tell you any which it thinks need reflashing - tell us here.

(*) and be sure to connect a hefty power supply as detailed elsewhere - do some reading

 

Just some comments on how SDD works? I hope this is not too long?
There is no software loading at the system level. The system consists of the PCM (Which sits in the center of all this) and all the connecting modules. All these modules have different levels of software because some modules will have several updates/revisions and other modules will have none. SDD can display all the versions in all the modules but I don't think this is any help?

What I "think" he is getting at is what's called the VID (Vehicle Identification Block) or in later cars the CCF (Car Configuration File). These contain the birth record of your car (Including the VIN) and how it was equipped when it left the factory. SDD can and does allow you to modify/edit these configuration files and you will see people doing this to add and remove different options like say ACC. Heck I just saw a guy remove the entire TPMS system from the car! So a VERY powerful tool and you basically have the keys to the kingdom when you have these files. They can be printed out too.

Attached is some information on this if you want details.

If one of the shops using SDD attempted some reprogramming or editing and either did not know what they were doing or maybe something simply went wrong when they attempted to do those things you could have what's happened to your car.
I am just guessing here??

These configuration files are stored in almost every module as a backup so if things get corrupted you can restore them by reading a different module and then reloading that into the module your having problems with. This also leads to BIG problems if the VID/CCF files do NOT match though out the entire network! But the PCM VID is the master so if it's wrong/corrupted that's a bigger problem. Fixable but many more steps inside SDD.


Note you can in the very worst situations get a new copy from Jaguar as they keep digital records for every car produced. Now if your NOT a Jaguar dealer I don't know how easy it would be to get this info? But that's a worst case so not likely. That data might also already be in SDD as I have downloaded 10's of thousands of calibration files when updating SDD. But again this will depend on the version of SDD used which is NOT the software version of the car. Not sure what he means that you can't go back? It's software and you can reprogram the misbehaving module?

One thing to keep in mind is that it's rare to have a physical hardware problem. Not saying modules don't fail but the vast majority of SDD problems are software related and re-programming is your best bet to try and straighten it all out. BUT we really need the actual codes from SDD to help.

So my suggestion is to make sure they are using the Jaguar SDD system (Which version would help too). I have not read where you have verified this? Lots of different diagnostic software out there today and we maybe dealing with non-SDD software?

Then get a complete list of what codes the car currently has and then if possible do a code clear and see what comes back. These system throw a lot of temporary or intermittent codes especially as JagV8 mentioned above if they are not connecting a car to a stout DC power supply. Note that is NOT a battery charger!

It would be BIG help if you could post some screen shots from SDD?
Maybe like this;




This screen is critical as it shows what modules are communicating, which ones are not and which ones the car is not equipped with.
The bad ones have red "X's" in place of the green check marks.

I would not recommend trying to copy files between cars. I think this will lead to even more problems. Again remember this is the birth record of your car so unless you have a 100% identical car you will be loading incorrect or at least different data!

I debated posting this link as I have no idea if they are good or not but they claim to fix modules and VID/CCF blocks? Might be worth a call or E-mail?
Repair VID/CCF Files
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UPDATE 11/30/2023 Okay, here's where I am with my ONGOING problem and just for reference: My 2006 S Type 3.0 Basic STILL remains in LIMP MODE since 6/27/2023.

BACKGROUMD
On 6/27/2023, I took my car to the Jaguar North Scottsdale (JNS) Dealership in Scottsdale AZ, to diagnosis a GAS GAUGE/Needle problem. After 2.5 hrs. later, the analysis indicated I needed a new fuel pump and sending unit. I was good with that. I needed to schedule at date for the repair.
PROBLEM
After the diagnostic assessment, and when the dealership gave me my key to drive away, the car went into LIMP MODE (I have since learned the descriptive term for the problem). The Scottsdale dealership attempted to resolve the problem created by the diagnostic assessment, but after 10 days of triage, they washed their hands of the the problem, and told me to tow my car off the lot because it was unsafe to drive on the highway.

Since then, I've had 2 non Jaguar shops attempt to resolve this problem. I've had a NEW BATTERY, CLOCK SPRING, THROTTLE BODY, and ABS unit (not programmed) installed. The two previous shops were not able to "FLASH" the ABS module because they cannot access the SOFTWARE nor do they have the tools.

However, the biggest problem I have now is here in the VALLEY OF THE SUN / Phoenix AZ, it appears there is NO SHOP that wants to work on my car now because its been touched by too many SHOPS. One very qualified shop indicated they could problem correct the problem. However, they depend on JNS for parts, and they did not want to have a conflict of interest. This same shop owner suggested that I junk the car and go out and buy a Chevrolet. I am not going to junk my car.

Without reservation, I am at a loss here. I still can drive my car with the F3 fuse (under the dash) removed. The car will drive with all the dashboard Christmas Lights and beeper sound going off warning me that I have a problem. When the F3 fuse is engaged, the ABS module triggers the LIMP MODE behavior.

ANYONE WITH ANYONE SUGGESTION.- I need some qualified technician to help me with this problem

And goes without saying thank you for your continued support.

NOTE: Yes, I did reference the JNS dealership... and yes, I am expressing my DEEP dissatisfaction with their service and company integrity.

 

UPDATE: 12/14/2023 RESOLVED - CURRENT STATUS ON “LIMP MODE”

This problem was resolved on 12/12/2023! On 12/11/2023, I had the car towed to HUFFs Automotive in Chandler, AZ. In less than 24 hours the LEAD TECHNICIAN was able to diagnose the problem, reviewed the history of prior work, evaluate the current condition of the vehicle, and then ran various test to help pinpoint the problem.

FINDING:

• VID programming for engine ECU- This procedure, took care of a drive-ability concern where throttle would not go over 3,000 RPM while driving. This problem has been resolved. No faults on dash currently. This issue was the primary reason for “LIMP MODE” condition.
• Programmed and coded ABS module that was installed by previous shop. NOTE: the ABS module still requires a “Brake Flush” to ensure full braking/stopping” capability. Will resolve this tomorrow.

Apparently, there was a different version of software installed on the VID/ECU that conflicted with the vehicle. This newer version created a communication problem with all the previously installed factory modules. Huffs having the diagnostic tool(s), access to the older software version, and Technical Skill/Knowledge solved the problem. The newer version had to have been installed during the gas gauge diagnostic session conducted by Jaguar North Scottsdale (JNS) / Penske Group on 6/27/2023. Prior to JNS diagnostic, the car ran without problem. And as you all know, the problem started right after the diagnosis.

OBSERVATION:

Over the past 6 months, I have had numerous conversations with service managers and technicians. The fact that JNS just washed their hands of the problem they created, clearly illustrated a lack of technical skills. More importantly, they clearly demonstrated a lack of integrity as a company. I would never recommend JNS to anyone needed to buy or service a Jaguar. It should also be noted that Jaguar North America was of no assistance. They also washed their hands of the problem. In addition, during my quest for help, I came across a shop who was fully capable of resolving the problem, I was told, by the owner, he feared a conflict of interest with JNS. The owner suggested that I junk my car and go buy a Chevrolet.

• Any customer in the Valley of the Sun seeking Jaguar service should be directed to Huffs Automotive in Chandler, AZ.

A big THANK YOU to all of you that provided insight on this problem.

To clubairth1 your insight on this issue, did help with resolving the problem. Specifically:

• What I "think" he is getting at is what's called the VID (Vehicle Identification Block) or in later cars the CCF (Car Configuration File). These contain the birth record of your car (Including the VIN) and how it was equipped when it left the factory. SDD can and does allow you to modify/edit these configuration files and you will see people doing this to add and remove different options like say ACC. Heck I just saw a guy remove the entire TPMS system from the car! So a VERY powerful tool and you basically have the keys to the kingdom when you have these files. They can be printed out too.
• If one of the shops using SDD attempted some reprogramming or editing and either did not know what they were doing or maybe something simply went wrong when they attempted to do those things you could have what's happened to your car. I am just guessing here??

6 months without the use of my vehicle.

 

Glad to see I at least pointed you in the right direction! So thank you very much!
BUT John I think you need to remove you personal phone number from that PDF? I hate to see your personnel info getting out in the open?

But I really wanted to say how much I appreciate your detailed report back on what was wrong and even more importantly that you got the car FIXED!!
I see situations like yours and it just about makes me cry that Jaguar appears to have no interest in their customers anymore??
I mean when they give up and request you tow the car off their property is just plain nuts!!

It's just another brick in the wall indicating the decline of Jaguar. I am very much afraid that Jaguar is planning on closing completely? All the signs point to it. Massive dealer closings in the US. Refusing to even work on cars 10 or more years old? Recommending you junk your Jaguar for a simple software problem and then buy a Chevy?? And I love Chevy's!

PS: I am an old S-Typer too! I had a 2005 S-Type R and it was a great car and my daily driver for 7+ years and over 110K miles.
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