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Old 01-04-2015, 10:58 PM
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This month I am due for inspection. In Texas they allow one non continuous monitor to be in a not ready condition.

I have one monitor in a not ready position and that is the silly CCM Transmission monitor. That is a continuous (in theory). Otherwise everything is ready, no CEL. I had to disconnect my battery a month or so ago and had the P1111, now back to P1000 and CCM- incomplete

This is a 2005 S 3.0 with just 80k. I have zip/zero problems with the car currently (minus a need at some time to replace outer tire rods with a boot that has worn open- but clearly nothing that has the slightest issue/cause with the ODB II readiness test). The car runs more than fine- not the hint of any problem at all. Not even the "lurch" or the squawk are apparent.

I have used the Denso drive cycle, that has been listed on the forum,

I have used this one:

COMPREHENSIVE COMPONENT MONITOR TRANSMISSION DRIVE CYCLE
The Comprehensive Component Monitor transmission drive cycle will “check” all transmission system components.
1 Start engine.
2 Move transmission mode switch between Normal and Sport. Verify switch state illumination.
3 Move the gear selector to all positions in the J Gate for five (5) seconds each. Verify the state illumination in each position.
4 Drive vehicle to bring the transmission fluid temperature up to normal operating temperature.
5 Stop vehicle.
6 Switch off all heavy electrical consumers: air conditioning, heaters, etc.
7 Transmission mode switch – Normal.
8 Select 2nd Gear; accelerate slowly. After 5 seconds, select 3rd Gear; accelerate slowly. After 5 seconds, select 4th Gear; accelerate slowly. After 5 seconds,
select Drive; cruise at 72 km/h (45 mph) for 30 seconds.
9 Stop vehicle.
10 Use the J Gate to shift through all gears while accelerating briskly to 87 km/h (55 mph). Cruise at this speed to allow torque converter lockup to occur in fifth gear.
11 Stop vehicle and repeat steps 8 through 10.


No go

I have not yet tried the attached from jaguar that talks about the .020 and 0.40 inch evap tests and how the ccm readiness is tied to it.

Any help would be appreciated. If I read the attached correctly it appears that I need to drive several hours on half a tank of gas from a cold start, but that seems quite a bizarre way to set this CCM as ready and my ecm to P1111.

Thanks as always

Tom in Dallas/Plano
2005 S-Type 3.0 80k

and on this issue dumb I am not, but stupid I feel- ha!!
 
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I have fought this same thing. Some cars just complete the readiness monitors faster than others. I have also followed several drive cycle instructions and finally found just putting on more miles seemed to work the best.

My 2005 STR gets to P1111 very quickly but my wife's 2003 Lincoln LS takes several weeks to get there.
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Got to P1111 today by doing exactly what the TSB from Jag suggested. Started car, idled for 15 minutes drove at 55 for 2 minutes, stopped and idled for 2 minutes. Did it again and then ran through the Denso suggested CCM transmission cycle and it set to P1111. Both are attached as .pdf.

I never let my gas get low and hardly ever idle 15 minutes before I start to go anywhere and certainly never shift my car as suggested- but that combination worked and I am where I need to be.


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Very interesting.

I read that jag letter ages ago and thought "never heard anyone actually needing to follow that!" - well, you're the first I recall having to do so but as faults occur and repairs are done / batteries changed maybe others wil find your posts vital.

It may be that most people live where that monitor is allowed to be unset or (like me) monitors are not even checked - just the MIL.
 
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Originally Posted by JagV8 View Post
Very interesting.

I read that jag letter ages ago and thought "never heard anyone actually needing to follow that!" - well, you're the first I recall having to do so but as faults occur and repairs are done / batteries changed maybe others wil find your posts vital.

It may be that most people live where that monitor is allowed to be unset or (like me) monitors are not even checked - just the MIL.
I guess if one never has to worry about it from the inspection level, then it never occurs to them to check or worry about getting a P1111 or even knowing if they have or have not one unless they see a CEL. In Texas, they will worry about such things in their typical hypocritical and short sighted way.

Jag did this in a bizarre way and instead of reprogramming - the give a false positive. They show the 'Evap" being ready when it has only completed one of the 2 tests it runs: the 0.020 and .0.40 inch leak check monitor as being complete when only the the 0.040 test is done. Due tio the CCM being tied to it, you are given no clue that the "Evap" still has another test
(0.020 inch leak) to run.
From a software and engineering view this is an incredibly stupid way to program a module. If it needs both tests done to "really" be complete ("Ready") then adjust the ODB II to reflect that and it is no more difficult to write into the code than anything else, except for lazy programmers. No excuse.

But such is life!

I hope someone else will see this that is having the trouble and it is not limited to just S-Types, but X, XJ and XK in the periods of 2002-2007 (generally)

Thumbs up for the day

Tom in Dallas/Plano
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think jag ought to have provided a new software version.

I suppose they may have done, subsequent to the letter, but I don't know whether they have or not or even how to find out.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think jag ought to have provided a new software version.

I suppose they may have done, subsequent to the letter, but I don't know whether they have or not or even how to find out.
If they have- then they have told no one and have kept it in a vault!

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I suppose it would just be part of IDS/SDD or on the net site accessed by that software.

You'd need to either connect IDS/SDD or find your calibration ID then compare with the latest ID. I expect people generally don't know or care, though...
 
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I suppose it would just be part of IDS/SDD or on the net site accessed by that software.

You'd need to either connect IDS/SDD or find your calibration ID then compare with the latest ID. I expect people generally don't know or care, though...
According to Jag I have the latest and the lastest is not correct on this issue.

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Originally Posted by jazzwineman View Post
Got to P1111 today by doing exactly what the TSB from Jag suggested. Started car, idled for 15 minutes drove at 55 for 2 minutes, stopped and idled for 2 minutes. Did it again and then ran through the Denso suggested CCM transmission cycle and it set to P1111. Both are attached as .pdf.

I never let my gas get low and hardly ever idle 15 minutes before I start to go anywhere and certainly never shift my car as suggested- but that combination worked and I am where I need to be.


Thanks

Tom
Just want to thank you and let you know the the TSB from jag worked like a charm had a very hard time to get my to clear until is seen this post work the first time saved a lot of time and money!

 
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Just want to thank you and let you know the the TSB from jag worked like a charm had a very hard time to get my to clear until is seen this post work the first time saved a lot of time and money!
Super. Working in Senior IT as I do, it is an absolute ridiculous way to accomplish the testing procedures. No one drives that way normally or sits at idle and goes through the transmission instruction or manually shift gears to drive at a certain speed in a certain gar. Complete and total nonsense, but computer programmers are a very strange breed of person and care little about real world applications.

Same anomaly I have in my car 05 S 3.0. I will throw every year since 2008 p1646 and 1647 (telling me the H02 sensor has a problem) only when the temp. of the city reaches 98 or above. It will happen after I drive the car on the highway and only occasionally when sitting at idle at a stoplight and then move forward. Five starts later the CEL and the confirmed code actually disappear from memory (strange). The heated part of the 02 sensor is used to equalize temps in starting. It has zero usage when the car has been driven 50 miles and you are sitting at idle- so why go run a test of it. I have no short, The 02 sensors have been changed and still I get it at those temps. (Nine months out of the year- never see the same problem under tha exact same driving situation from the exact same points.
Thanks for hearing out the rant!
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