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Emmerich 12-19-2018 02:08 PM

S Type Bank 1 too lean
 
I have a 2003 S Type R. Fault code is P0171, bank 1 too lean. The "reduced performance" signal comes and goes intermittently. I am guessing an air filter, MAF or vacuum leak issue would also yield a P0174 for bank 2 as well. I am thinking a bad O2 sensor, does that sound reasonable? (I would think that would be a code as well). I seem to recall a couple of years ago the car was scanned and there was some issue with O2. I think bank 1 is passenger side-correct? Also, is it hard to change that sensor, any guidance in that regard is welcome....

Fred Emmerich

scottjh9 12-19-2018 02:44 PM

Do you have a way to read fuel trims and also the O2 sensor values. That would help immensely

JagV8 12-19-2018 03:42 PM

+1 read fuel trims - much cheaper than parts-swapping and much more likely to provide some useful data.

Hot engine, parked. At idle, then rev to about 2500.

NBCat 12-19-2018 07:14 PM

Check the PCV mount and hose to the throttle body for cracking.

scottjh9 12-19-2018 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by JagV8 (Post 2002992)
+1 read fuel trims - much cheaper than parts-swapping and much more likely to provide some useful data.

Hot engine, parked. At idle, then rev to about 2500.

You know who I learned the value of fuel trims from right jagv8....a hint....username is in this post

Emmerich 12-20-2018 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by scottjh9 (Post 2002954)
Do you have a way to read fuel trims and also the O2 sensor values. That would help immensely

Not sure, I have a simple bluetooth reader.

Norri 12-20-2018 10:07 AM

What software are you using, it should probably be able to see fuel trims.

Emmerich 12-21-2018 02:40 PM

Torque Pro

Emmerich 01-03-2019 03:01 PM

Bank 1 LT = 18.8 ST = 0.8%
Bank 2 LT = 14.8% ST = 3.1%

I have seen where you want the short term to be around zero, and LT a bit higher. I am not sure what LT should be though.

JagV8 01-03-2019 03:21 PM

Read them with hot engine, parked.

At idle, then rev to about 2500 and read again.

ST should be small and can usually be ignored. LT should be within (say) 5 of 0.

We can see your LTFTs are big. If they drop when revved you have an air leak... but do they?

Emmerich 01-04-2019 01:10 PM

LT for both banks is 17.2 at idle, drops to 14 at 2500RPM. ST stays the same, around 0-3%

Emmerich 01-04-2019 02:51 PM

I cleaned the MAF sensor and air filter, idle is now 16 (down from 17.2) for LT and 3 (up from 1) for ST. No check engine light yet.

JagV8 01-04-2019 02:52 PM

That's hardly any drop so you're probably looking at something other than an air leak.

That leaves the rest of the list in the workshop manual / codes PDF. Free to download off this site or JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource

I'd clean the MAF (with great care) and if not recently done change the fuel filter.


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