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As my car lives under a tree, I was planning on having the paint (or clearcoat really) polished and protected with a ceramic coating. Apparently the car sensed this, as a few weeks ago it summoned up "ABS FAULT" for me. My very recently purchased (I guess I was tempting fate there) i930 scanner revealed the DTC to be C0020; ABS pump motor control. A google search for "C0020" revealed little, but it sure seemed expensive.
Well, I was supposed to take the car in last monday. Unfortunately, on the evening before, the car started making a weird whining noise and stated "BATTERY NOT CHARGING"; the alternator had failed.
I have never had a car break down on me (owned an X-Type, a Fiat 500 and an Abarth), so this hit kinda hard. At least the XK still looked fabulous on the flatbed truck, which took it to the garage 12 hours earlier than planned. As it turned out, the alternator had indeed failed. Likewise, the ABS modulator pump motor was tested and found unresponsive. This is apparently a very, very rare issue, and really shouldn't have happened this early (about 72k miles).
Total cost for new parts (Bosch alternator; half the cost of OEM) adds up to about $7800. I'll most likely order the ABS unit from UK myself, which should drop the total to around $5000. Needless to say, this car won't be getting that ceramic coating for christmas. Furthermore, a sudden cost like this has made me seriously worried about the future, and suddenly those Kias with their 7 year warranties seem very sensible...if still terribly dull.
What was your expensive breakdown? What made you persevere?
Definitely what Marky said. BOTH the alternator and the ABS pump should cost NO MORE than $1000 USD, even at inflated Dealership prices. Are Finnish dollars worth twelve US cents or something?
That's one bad thing about an International Forum; one doesn't directly know what units or rates other countries use.
Alternators can be refurbed, or at least I've had two done for less than £50 a time, that lasted many years.
Also changed the ABS module on my X100 and think it cost me £400/$500
So am confused why the bill's so high?
Some alternators can be, and I did ask about this as I've heard of a company in Finland that does such work. However, the garage I frequent said they'd used their services before, and they couldn't successfully refurbish the later "smart" alternators. Jag does apparently remanufacture alternators too, but the shipping charges from Finland to UK and back are high.
Looks like ABS modulator module is available in two parts for the X100; hydraulic unit and control box, so perhaps in your case you just replaced the faulty part? Unfortunately they're not sold separately for the X150 (based on JEPC), so one has to get the whole modulator, and I haven't found it online for less than around £1900.
We originally hoped that the modulator control box would be the culprit, as the garage said it could be removed from the modulator unit and be sent to a specialist for repair. However, their testing revealed the pump itself to be faulty, so it doesn't seem like there are any alternatives to a new modulator.
Originally Posted by Cee Jay
Definitely what Marky said. BOTH the alternator and the ABS pump should cost NO MORE than $1000 USD, even at inflated Dealership prices. Are Finnish dollars worth twelve US cents or something?
That's one bad thing about an International Forum; one doesn't directly know what units or rates other countries use.
I'm very curious, where are you getting these prices? I've checked the part codes from JEPC and googled them, and the ABS modulator costs over $4k on US websites. I can't find the pump itself anywhere.
Your XK is used, why pay for a new part? Check all the breaker yards you can find. There are BOUND to be parts available. Since the ABS controller is such a rare fail, even a high-mileage used one would suffice.
Your XK is used, why pay for a new part? Check all the breaker yards you can find. There are BOUND to be parts available. Since the ABS controller is such a rare fail, even a high-mileage used one would suffice.
Originally Posted by MarkyUK
I suspect that XK's are few and far between in Finland, so breakers are unlikely to yeald results
Here's one of the dearer alternators I could find in ebay
Indeed, there are about 50 X150s in the entire country; not many wrecks to scour for parts...
The alternator has already been replaced, it was expensive at 599€/£530/$670, but it was available next-day. I also thought I wouldn't skimp on that very part, being the heart of all the electronics. Still half the price of the OEM one, at least.
That's a good point you make about it being a used car, I've somehow been against the idea of used parts but in this case it does admittedly make sense.
I did try searching for 2nd hand ABS units, couldn't find many, most were for X100s or 5.0 X150s like the one you linked. JEPC shows that parts supersede C2P6022 -> C2P13781 -> C2P14582 until VIN B32752, after which comes part C2P17902 without the supersession symbol, and as such, I fear 5.0 car ABS modules won't work with my car. I'll send out messages to those I could find, still!
Is there an electrical shop you can go to? You can have your alternator rebuilt. There's literally one a half mile from my work and they do exist. TheT should cut down cost significantly. ABS, idk.
Finland is 70% larger than the UK but with less than 10% of the population...so the likelihood of finding local services able to refurb an alternator or abs units is slim.
What I would sat to the OP is to retain both failed units and sell them internationally to anyone with the capability to repair.
I have two specialists that can do abs units and 4 that can do alternators within 4 miles of me....and I live in rural Somerset
Finland is 70% larger than the UK but with less than 10% of the population...so the likelihood of finding local services able to refurb an alternator or abs units is slim.
What I would sat to the OP is to retain both failed units and sell them internationally to anyone with the capability to repair.
I have two specialists that can do abs units and 4 that can do alternators within 4 miles of me....and I live in rural Somerset
It is more expensive to have a high-end car in Scandinavia if/when they break!:-)
Dang, I found one early 4.2 ABS unit, but checking the VIN in TOPIx revealed the donor car didn't have adaptive cruise control. Part numbers are different for cars with ACC, so it's probably not compatible...
Originally Posted by peterv8
It is more expensive to have a high-end car in Scandinavia if/when they break!:-)
Yeah, parts and fuel are all very expensive, and our ridiculous taxes inflate car prices as well. For example, my car apparently cost 169k€/$190k when new.
Have you ever used RockAuto? They ship to you. I used Finland with a post code of 00250 (I have no idea where you are) and shipping came in at $31 and it looks like even if you just eat the core, you can have a Remy rebuilt unit to you for 160 to 200 USD TOTAL. The 40 dollar swing is based on if you have the electrical plug at 7:30/8:00 or 11:00 position wise on a clock. Remy is definitely a brand is put in my car.
if they don't gouge you some sort of ungodly import or VAT type tax at customs, 200$ sounds more than good.
I appreciate the help, but as I wrote the alternator has already been replaced. There were some logs in the car indicating low voltages for maybe a week before the alternator broke, so since these cars have a reputation for producing electrical glitches with insufficient voltage, I was hoping the new alternator might make the ABS issue go away.
I'm now trying to find out more about the differences between ACC and non-ACC ABS units. The service handbook explicitly mentions only one difference in the control module; ACC cars have an additional brake pressure sensor in each line leading to the front brakes. If the pump units are similar (can't imagine ACC having any impact on the pump or number of valves), I could use a 2nd hand ABS unit from a non-ACC car and combine the hydraulic unit with my control module...
EDIT: Looks like the difference is in the hydraulic control unit, not the control module...
Last edited by Aonsaithya; 10-23-2018 at 11:41 PM.
Just throwing something out here, but our cars share a lot of parts with the XF and XJ. If you can cross reference the unit to those cars your list of potential donors for a used part would increase quite a lot.
Not much technical help here, but just an observation: Cars just cost money. I recently spent another $4000 keeping my old Ford F150 in semi-working condition, and it's just an old work truck. I've practically had have the whole air conditioning system rebuilt due to leak after leak, and a compressor failure. It's frustrating paying in large chunks for used cars, but we always end up paying one way or another, used or new.
After my wife got frustrated with repair bills on an SUV we owned we tried "trading down" to a leased, no-frills, no-worries sedan (sort of like the "Kia option" you mentioned). Ugh. Miserable to drive and still cost us $4000/year in payments. She got rid of it the moment the lease expired. From now on, unless there's something better in the wings, we'll pay the repair costs and keep what we have.
I took off the wheel well liner and checked the part number on my ABS unit; 6W83-2C405-DA. Found none for sale, ACC being a somewhat uncommon option on these cars, so I'm now leaning towards sending the unit to UK for refurbishment.
Originally Posted by tkoschinsky
Just throwing something out here, but our cars share a lot of parts with the XF and XJ. If you can cross reference the unit to those cars your list of potential donors for a used part would increase quite a lot.
Thanks, I also considered this but not only do the part numbers not overlap, looking at photos on 2nd hand part ads the physical layout of the HCU is different. Too bad, the XF/XJ parts are significantly cheaper.
Originally Posted by Muddydog
Not much technical help here, but just an observation: Cars just cost money. I recently spent another $4000 keeping my old Ford F150 in semi-working condition, and it's just an old work truck. I've practically had have the whole air conditioning system rebuilt due to leak after leak, and a compressor failure. It's frustrating paying in large chunks for used cars, but we always end up paying one way or another, used or new.
After my wife got frustrated with repair bills on an SUV we owned we tried "trading down" to a leased, no-frills, no-worries sedan (sort of like the "Kia option" you mentioned). Ugh. Miserable to drive and still cost us $4000/year in payments. She got rid of it the moment the lease expired. From now on, unless there's something better in the wings, we'll pay the repair costs and keep what we have.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting this to be as cheap to run as, say, the Fiat 500 I used to have, but I'm just not good at dealing with unexpected problems and the ensuing stress...
Great minds think alike! I checked the part number on my car because the guy from ECU Testing asked me to. I was happy to see it's exactly the same as on their website, and there's positive feedback too. I'm having the ABS unit removed & sent in next week.
10-22-2018, 03:23 PM
Losing faith?
