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05 XJR - peculiar transmission behavior when cold - normal?

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Old 04-26-2017, 06:25 AM
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Default 05 XJR - peculiar transmission behavior when cold - normal?

My 05 XJR has 74k miles, bought it about a month ago,
I have been extremely pleased with the vehicle overall. I am going through some of the basic maintenance items.

One symptom ive noticed is during warmup, at lower speeds (35-55mph) the rpms fluctuate. It feels like the torque converter locking/unlocking. Other times if i look at the rpm gauge, i will see it fluctuate about 100-200 rpm or so.
Should i be concerned about this? None of these symptoms exist once its properly warmed up.

I do have all parts necessary to do a transmission flush, including ZF LG6. I really wasnt sure if the symptoms described above would be caused by older thans fluid or not.
 
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Old 04-26-2017, 10:05 AM
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I observe the same very occasionally in my V6 with the same trans.

Only semi-warmed up, only at a constant speed of aprox 35 mph in D. When this happens (and that's only like once a month) I just speed up by a few mph or select another gear.

I suspect it's the programming and am not concerned with it. I also refrained from changing the trans fluid. About half of the mechanics I talked to advised to change after 75.000 miles the other half advised not to change.

Since a trans fluid change costs aprox. 10% of the resale value of my car I decided not to change as long as the trans works fine - and it does work fine. Smoothest gearbox I ever had!
 
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Sounds like the same issue some S-Types have. People usually live with it I think.
 
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Originally Posted by JagV8
Sounds like the same issue some S-Types have. People usually live with it I think.
Yep living with it , and learning to love the jag querks
 
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:21 AM
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I've found driving in sport mode it's less noticeable on mine. I've changed fluid 3 times and even tried shudder fix additive and it still does it! So living with it now as it only does it when warming up.
 
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:24 AM
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I have this problem in the '04 XJ8, and it's been getting progressively worse. Definitely seems to be torque converter related.

I found the following article the other day that mentions, "Sometimes the tachometer needle on the dashboard starts jumping within + - 200 rpm - this indicates the moment of the torque converter lockup failure and the need for repair."

https://kinergo.eu/news/rebuilding-of-6hp-converter-explained.html


These guys are in the business of rebuilding these units, but they make it sound like simply swapping the old torque converter for a new one won't cut it.
 
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Common problem...Nothing to worry about...
 
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It feels like the torque converter locking/unlocking.
That's because it is the TQ locking/unlocking ! I was told this was an attempt by clever-dick Jaguar software engineers to warm the tranny fluid up quicker so as to reduce fuel consumption. I suppose it saves about one thimblefull !!
I had this on my 2003 X350 and eventually got round it by putting the car into "4" or "3" for a few miles. Once the fluid is warm the hunting stops. My current X350, (actually a 2007 X358 Sovereign) doesn't have the syndrome.I was told you can cure the hunting by changing the torque converter as the lock-up clutch friction plates were reprofiled to eliminate the problem. Personally, I would have thought Jaguar could have just reprogrammed the TCM software and made life easier for us all !!
 
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Thanks for the replies guys, Useful information here.
It doesn't seem to cause any driveability issues, so I'll flush the trans out and carry on as normal
 
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