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Adjusting the throttle butterfly to .002
Hello all!
Hope you are all recovered from all that turkey and looking forward to eating the remains for another month! Question. How does one check that the throttle butterfly is set to the correct .002?? And what are the sides effects of it NOT being at 002? Am i correct in thinking its the LEFT one that is set to .002? Thank you! Chris |
Originally Posted by chrisleg
(Post 1992487)
How does one check that the throttle butterfly is set to the correct .002?? Remove ducting and elbow to the throttle body to expose the throttle blade. Using rags, old toothbrush, and aerosol carb cleaner, remove all the black gunk in the throat of the throttle body....on both sides of the throttle blade. When it's clean as a whistle use a feeler gauge at 12:00 o'clock between the throttle bore and the throttle blade. Adjustment is via an external screw, very much like the idle speed adjuster on an old fashioned carburetor. Loosen the lock nut and turn the screw so that a slight drag is felt against the .002" gauge. Might take a few tries to get the feel of it. And what are the sides effects of it NOT being at 002? Am i correct in thinking its the LEFT one that is set to .002? Not quite sure what you mean. Unless you have a v12 you have only one throttle body with a single throttle blade. The throttle body is attached to the intake manifold and has a cast aluminum elbow jutting out. Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1992516)
Remove ducting and elbow to the throttle body to expose the throttle blade.
Using rags, old toothbrush, and aerosol carb cleaner, remove all the black gunk in the throat of the throttle body....on both sides of the throttle blade. When it's clean as a whistle use a feeler gauge at 12:00 o'clock between the throttle bore and the throttle blade. Adjustment is via an external screw, very much like the idle speed adjuster on an old fashioned carburetor. Loosen the lock nut and turn the screw so that a slight drag is felt against the .002" gauge. Might take a few tries to get the feel of it. Weird idle behavior, hesitation on opening the throttle. Cleaning the gunk is equally important as the adjustment, as the gunk alone case be a problem Left one? Not quite sure what you mean. Unless you have a v12 you have only one throttle body with a single throttle blade. The throttle body is attached to the intake manifold and has a cast aluminum elbow jutting out. Cheers DD I will have to get a feeler. when I said left I meant the left side of the butterfly itself. But you clarified when you said atv12 o'clock etc I may ha e to come with questions if you dont mind. thanks again. doug |
It dawns on me that I can't really remember if the 'axle' for the throttle blade is vertical or horizontal. If it''s vertical you won't be able to take your measurement at the 12:00 o'clock position or 6:00 o'clock, obviously, so you'd take the measurement at 3:00 or 9:00.
Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1992546)
It dawns on me that I can't really remember if the 'axle' for the throttle blade is vertical or horizontal. If it''s vertical you won't be able to take your measurement at the 12:00 o'clock position or 6:00 o'clock, obviously, so you'd take the measurement at 3:00 or 9:00.
Cheers DD Picture attached So place feeler gauge where arrow is? And where would the adjustment screw be? Thank you Chris https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...9e4f24dd11.jpg |
Your throttle bore is nice and clean :)
Insert feeler gauge at 9:00 o'clock position Those are not adjusting screws See how the throttle body is held in place with 4 bolts? Look at the upper left bolt in your picture. Just above that bolt is the adjuster. It takes a 5/16" wrench as I recall. Tricky to reach. Cheers DD Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1992559)
Your throttle bore is nice and clean :)
Insert feeler gauge at 9:00 o'clock position Those are not adjusting screws See how the throttle body is held in place with 4 bolts? Look at the upper left bolt in your picture. Just above that bolt is the adjuster. It takes a 5/16" wrench as I recall. Tricky to reach. Cheers DD Cheers DD I see the screw. So when adjusting it essentially pushes up and down the arm which adjusts gap? Would you recommend minor turns just in case? And do you recall which direction is open, clockwise or counter? I guess i can always experiment. :) I will pop over to Napa or harbor freight tomorrow to check for a feeler gauge. Thanks again Doug https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...525aed482d.jpg |
That's the adjuster screw, yes!
Can't remember which direction increases/decreases the gap. Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1992565)
That's the adjuster screw, yes!
Can't remember which direction increases/decreases the gap. Cheers DD Will report back as soon as i adjust it, if it needs it of course! Goodnight! Chris |
As the thrtoole throat is circular as is the butterfly itself, the feeler should be as narrow as possible - ideally a .002" wire and not a .002" broad blade. Trimming a blade style feeler will be as close to a wire as I could get. A blade that is too broad will result in a larger than indicated opening. This was my experience.
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So I adjusted the butterfly gap. Maaan that's a tough one!
couldnt get the spanner to it to give me enough torque. Finally stuck some old wd40 on it. Put some on a cloth and applied to the screw. manged to get it to move with my fingers. my question. What should be on the rev counter at parked idle? Currently have the needle at 10 and below 10 when transmission is in drive and I am braked. thank you! |
Originally Posted by chrisleg
(Post 1993656)
my question. What should be on the rev counter at parked idle? Currently have the needle at 10 and below 10 when transmission is in drive and I am braked. thank you! That's a bit high if the engine is fully warned up. Idle should be higher when cold, lower when hot. A device called the "AAV"-Aux Air Valve gives the higher idle when cold. I've had best luck with about 800-850 RPM in "P". It'll drop 150 RPM when put into gear. The actual factory spec is lower than that (I can't remember what it is, exactly) but I go with what feels best, within reason. IME these old 4.2s are more comfortable with the slightly higher idle. Info on adjusting the idle speed: Idle Speed Adjustment Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by chrisleg
(Post 1993656)
So I adjusted the butterfly gap. Maaan that's a tough one!
couldnt get the spanner to it to give me enough torque. Finally stuck some old wd40 on it. Put some on a cloth and applied to the screw. Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1993661)
That's a bit high if the engine is fully warned up. Idle should be higher when cold, lower when hot. A device called the "AAV"-Aux Air Valve gives the higher idle when cold.
I've had best luck with about 800-850 RPM in "P". It'll drop 150 RPM when put into gear. The actual factory spec is lower than that (I can't remember what it is, exactly) but I go with what feels best, within reason. IME these old 4.2s are more comfortable with the slightly higher idle. Info on adjusting the idle speed: Idle Speed Adjustment Cheers DD so you think at 10 in park is too high? |
yes
Cheers DD |
Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1993672)
yes
Cheers DD I guess my next question, even after reading the link is what does this thing look like? I cant see the wood for the trees at the moment! 😱 |
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Originally Posted by Doug
(Post 1993692)
I was on the right track! Actually took a photo of what I thought it might be. My stubborn curiosity got me trawling the interweb and I found an article on a place called jagweb. They mention also doing a "fuel trim" when adjusting idle. is this nessasery in your experience??? many thanks Doug!!! https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...b389657f37.jpg |
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