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gboy 02-19-2019 03:37 PM

Odd windscreen trim on Series 2.
 
Bought a Series 2 and it came with this windscreen trim. Is this OEM and can it be swapped out with OEM 2 piece style? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...8a3c157a64.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a5fe340a3d.jpg




Jose 02-19-2019 05:30 PM

looks like brackets for a Visor

gboy 02-19-2019 06:01 PM

They're a seam finisher for lack of a better word. I've seen another car on C/L with the same and the pieces on Ebay for sale. They have a bracket behind the rubber / chrome piece.

Daf11e 02-19-2019 07:19 PM

Mine has a small one top centre only like your bottom one.....my guess would agree with Jose.

LnrB 02-19-2019 07:59 PM

I'm told by someone who claims to know, that the "clips" on Series 2 windshield trim were mandated by the US Department of Transportation to keep the chrome edging from flying off in the wind, startling drivers behind and generally causing havoc.

Considering how difficult it is to reinstall said trim properly and securely, this just might be true.
(';')

gboy 02-19-2019 08:56 PM

LnrB, I think your right and here's a pic of the $100k XJC with them also. Here's a pic of them on there own from Ebay. I'm hoping someone here knows if I can swap it with the 2 piece style. It's not bad from 20ft but up close it looks a bit hideous.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...cd71f04ba9.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...754cd92321.jpg

LnrB 02-19-2019 11:24 PM

I think it's only 2 pieces anyway. At least the one we recently got from the wrecking yard was only 2 pieces.
They bolt together in the center of top. I don't remember what holds the bottom center together besides a lot of hope.

The side clips bolt through holes in the finisher and roof. There is no seam under them.
(';')

yachtmanbuttson 02-20-2019 07:50 AM

II asked Paul in Ft Lauderdale the same question years ago and got the answer that the two piece will not fit and we are stuck with the trim pieces.

Bill

LnrB 02-20-2019 08:46 AM

Later on today I'll check the salvage trim I have out in the shed and post a picture.
(';')

LnrB 02-20-2019 07:41 PM

As Promised...
 
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...74bf72786b.jpg
This is the top right side of the windshield finisher for Series 2;
Notice holes for the three hold-downs as mandated by the US-DOT.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...84d5885ea2.jpg
This is the top left of the windshield finisher for Series 2.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...1627b7eaa3.jpg
This is the bottom center of the windshield finisher for Series 2.
There is also a mounting hole under the decorative cover.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...555962fe2d.jpg
Both halves of the complete finisher.

These parts along with the windshield were taken from a complete Series 2,
(';')

icsamerica 02-21-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by LnrB (Post 2029866)
I'm told by someone who claims to know, that the "clips" on Series 2 windshield trim were mandated by the US Department of Transportation to keep the chrome edging from flying off in the wind, startling drivers behind and generally causing havoc.

Considering how difficult it is to reinstall said trim properly and securely, this just might be true.
(';')

The three clips are not just for the trim. They are to keep the whole windsheild in during a crash. After a few crashes, it was observed that the windshield was poping out and occupants were being thrown from the car in the days before seat belts were mandatory. As someone who has taken a part many of these car for restoration I can confirm once those 3 clips are removed, the windshield will pop out with just hand pressure. This was fairly common for gasket'd windows, most manufactures switch to bonded windshields in car in the early 70's for this reason.

gboy 02-21-2019 10:56 AM

Thanks LnrB for taking the time to snap those pics. I was assuming the clips were for windscreen containment and Icsamerica's post confirms it for me.

A couple of questions -
1. Aren't series 1 windshields held in by the same seal / gasket set up as this w/o clips/retainers? Are they that easy to pop out?
2. All the pics of cars and part numbers I've found on the net are absent the retainers. Are these all euro cars/part #'s?
3. How are later model series 2 windscreen trim/seals held in?
​​​​​​Thanks again for everyone's help.

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JagCad 02-21-2019 01:49 PM

Yup. Ditto. At about that time, cabon security for passengers was hetting a lot of needed attention. Much safer to stay in and remain secure fdrom incoming whatewvers…

Carl

davidboger 02-21-2019 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by gboy (Post 2030522)
Thanks LnrB for taking the time to snap those pics. I was assuming the clips were for windscreen containment and Icsamerica's post confirms it for me.

A couple of questions -
1. Aren't series 1 windshields held in by the same seal / gasket set up as this w/o clips/retainers? Are they that easy to pop out?
2. All the pics of cars and part numbers I've found on the net are absent the retainers. Are these all euro cars/part #'s?
3. How are later model series 2 windscreen trim/seals held in?
​​​​​​Thanks again for everyone's help.

​​​​

1. Yes - The early Series 1 seal/gasket is the same without the clips. They are easier to get out, but I think a little tougher than just pushing on them. The seal does help to keep them in place...
2. The reason they aren't in the Series 1 parts manual is because they started being added in 1973, so you'd have to get a very late parts manual for them to be in it. I have a Series 1 manual printed in July 1974 that has those clips in it.
3. As far as I can recall, the Series 2 kept those clips to the end of the run. The Series 3 was able to drop them because of the way the windscreen was sealed in place. It's much tougher to get out.

As far as I know, The early Series 1 trim without the brackets will fit on the 73 and later cars to 78. Whether it's the most sound choice is debatable...

Cheers
David
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