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Old Oct 20, 2019 | 07:47 PM
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I've developed an annoying rattle in my steering column. It's slight and only occurs under specific conditions.....but those conditions are present every day on my morning drive to work.

I've traced the problem to a mere trace of wear and free play in the u-joint at the end of the steering column, Item #1 in this illustration:

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/

Note that this is the u-joint that is inside the cabin, not the one that attaches to the steering rack

The part, which was sold as a 'lower column' by Jaguar, is NLA

Has anyone ever repaired this lower joint? I'm sure it was never intended to be a repairable item, but I know there are some clever people out there !

Buying used is an option, of course, although any I buy will be as old as mine and quite possibly no better

Another option is to take a different route to work that doesn't include the same road surface irregularities

Thanks for any ideas

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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 03:42 AM
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Doug,

Memory, or nightmares, I do remember sorting one on one of the Series cars, and it involved 2 hammers, and ever so slightly "tightening" the cross and cup relationship. I did it insitu, but I was younger, sillier, more flexible back then.

A bearing company down here, back in the '70's (long gone now) did supply those small joints for that application on damn near any car/truck/tractor, but nothing cam close to the Jag one, hence the 2 hammers.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 04:34 AM
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Maybe something here Doug?
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-force-224607/
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https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/steeri...grid&orderBy=0

Also, if you are up to VIN 165790, JCP say they have them (part number 4) CAC3470 this link is for the XJS, but the part is the same for the Series III:

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/
 

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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 04:37 AM
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I did a search using the term "small u joints for steering shafts" and there are hundreds of suppliers and images.

I used Bing. for the search.

try it.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 07:06 AM
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Thanks all.

Greg, the CAC3470 is the joint that attached to the rack and pinion. I need #1 in your illustration.

Jose, thanks, I'll try digging deeper, but so far I haven't come across anything resembling the Jaguar part:






Cheers and thanks

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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 07:29 AM
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https://www.summitracing.com/search/...ithout-splines
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 08:03 AM
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Thanks, Jose, I've seen those. But I'm still holding out hope for a new Jaguar part, or repair of same. Grafting a generic replacement onto the column isn't what had in mind at the moment although, in the end, it might be the only choice

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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 08:42 AM
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then the best bet will be ebay UK for a new old stock part. Also, is this u joint strictly an XJ part ?

older models might have used the same part under a different number.

Saloons like the 420G, basically an inflated XJ. And the Series 1 and 2 XJ.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jose
then the best bet will be ebay UK for a new old stock part. Also, is this u joint strictly an XJ part ?

older models might have used the same part under a different number.

Saloons like the 420G, basically an inflated XJ. And the Series 1 and 2 XJ.

I know the same part (and part number) was used on many years of XJS. Not sure about others, will research

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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug

I've traced the problem to a mere trace of wear and free play in the u-joint at the end of the steering column, Item #1 in this illustration:

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/

Note that this is the u-joint that is inside the cabin, not the one that attaches to the steering rack
Try this. https://ebay.us/4OtmAJ
By the time Jag made the 1995 XJS the parts were of far better quality, many parts cross over and this one may too,
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 10:36 AM
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Doug
Sorry for the misinterpretation of your post. These things are all over UK ebay, and I think your failure mode is not typical, so a second hand one would be OK.
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/JAGUAR-DAIML...D/152631720940
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 11:43 AM
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Well, others have far more practical ideas than I.

My thought was mechanical or machining in scope. Might not even work. Take it apart. Bore and sleeve the loose "holes".

But, Grant's percussion method is kinda like me!!! Smash out the slop.

A thought just hit me!!!! Glop on some grease. Quiten it down...

Carl
 
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 11:21 AM
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Doug
Is the "double jointed" arrangement as shown in the pic in your post number 5 essential to the steering working properly, given the angles involved etc? Is there any reason why a normal steering UJ would not work in its place, assuming a splined shaft? eg one such as:

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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 07:18 PM
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Gentlemen, I'm afraid I've wasted everyone's time. My apologies.

I've had the cabin side u-joint and the rack side u-joints mixed up in my brain!

What I need is CAC3470, which is item #2 in the illustration in my original posting. This part is readily available.

Thanks for all the help

Cheers
DD
 
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Old Oct 22, 2019 | 08:56 PM
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Old Oct 23, 2019 | 12:39 AM
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Getting old, isn't it marvellous!
 
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Old Oct 23, 2019 | 07:00 AM
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Morning Doug,

If you want to try a used one, I'd be glad to send one free.

It would be a pleasure to give back something to you, who has helped me and others so much.

PM the address if you wish,

Rob Laughton
 
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Old Oct 24, 2019 | 10:05 AM
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Anyone can do a mental "swap". No apology needed!!

Best, resolved. AKA done. A favored word to me. !!!

Sequiter (sp) "on to the next !!!!!

Carl
 
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Old Feb 18, 2021 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Laughton
Morning Doug,

If you want to try a used one, I'd be glad to send one free.

It would be a pleasure to give back something to you, who has helped me and others so much.

PM the address if you wish,

Rob Laughton
Do you still have a used one available? My 1986 xjs has a very worn out bottom u-joint on the steering shaft and the rattle is irritating
 
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Old Feb 19, 2021 | 12:31 PM
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Beers, a few....
 
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