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XJ6 New and Improved Boot-Lid Hinge (concept)
XJ6 New and Improved Boot-Lid Secondary Hinge (Concept)
Benefits: 1) 45 minutes to install 2) Completely reversible 3) Securely holds the boot-lid open at 71 degrees, 30 degrees more than factory hinge. 4) Very easy to operate The factory hinge design holds the Boot-Lid open at 30.5" measured from the Boot seal to the Boot-Lid edge. This new design holds the Boot-Lid open at 47" a 50% increase. Factory Hinge assemblies with weak springs, will get a reduced moment from the Boot-Lid being more vertical, hence the springs become more effective at holding the Boot-Lid open without a secondary prop. The assembly consists of a new RH & LH hand Boot-Lid to Hinge Bracket attachment, that incorporates a secondary hinge feature. A new 5/16 hole will have to be drilled in each existing Hinge Arm (drilling template provided). A lever locking device is used to lock Hinge at New Angle or Factory Angle. Current machining quote; (concept SS Hinge/Bracket) would produce a kit for both hinges (including new hardware) for ~$70, plus shipping. Questions for XJ6 Owners? 1. Are there enough XJ6s Boot-Lid Hinges with weak springs? 2. Are there XJ6 Owners that would value more Boot-Lid head room? To justify machining 20 kits. Please way-in .with interest, desired features, ideas, concerns & etc. If there is enough interest, I will make a prototype out of aluminum to test geometry details. Thank you, Bill-Jose-Elinor, for illuminating the issue. Rgds David https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...b7171323da.jpg Factory Hinge to Boot-Lid attach Bracket https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...cf799dec8c.jpg Jeff's secondary hold-open rod https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...427c77359a.jpg "Concept" Bracket Hinge combination +30 degrees |
this is great David! But I want to see it in action. Can you install one in a XJ to see the difference?
in my car, the springs are fine, is that a problem? Not sure I understood the issue with the springs. |
Jose,
When boot lid is open an extra 30 degrees, the center of the boot lid weight moves forward toward the hinge pivot point, which reduces the down force on the springs. It is like trying to pick up a 8' long 2" x 4" laying flat on a table holding onto the last 4 inches of one end. If it were laying vertically up against a wall, you could pick it up with one hand. Just eye-balling it, the down force on the springs should be 20-30% less with the additional 30 degree opening. I'll do some graphs over the weekend to get the accurate numbers. Rgds David |
If this works sign me up.
My springs have all the tension of a wet Kleenex so I'm not sure a mere 30 degrees extra will do the job. They never did work well, and quit completely after I noticed shiny metal dust on the floor and lubed them. They stopped squeaking but also stopped holding up the lid. Hence the broomstick (which some say I can use for emergency transport). (';') |
David - You are a man of ACTION! Wow! Count me in for a set. My springs seem to be fine. Does your concept incorporate the hydraulic piston? Not sure I understood if it did or not. Yes, I'm all for the boot opening up more.
Thanks, Bill |
I'm interested. Can't picture where it attaches or how it moves. Looking forward to developments.
One of my key questions is can it be installed by one person or do you need two people to hold the lid while another bolts things up? When I reinstalled my hood I had to round up some neighborhood teenagers to help me. My springs were tired. I could open the lid and it would stay there until a breeze came along and then it would slowly sink down. The gas strut I used has only 10 lbs of pressure. It doesn't open or even help to open the lid. Just enough to hold it open. A question for our British fiends: a bonnet is the big piece of sheet metal that covers the engine bay (like an American hood). But the boot is the cavity in back where you put things, right? Is the part we are talking about called the "boot lid"? Americans would call it the trunk lid. |
David, I just looked at mine and I would definitely want the boot lid to open more. I only saw one possible issue with the lid hitting the rear windshield if it continues on the "factory" arc. Mine stops about 1" from the glass. If the new hinge swung (is that a word?) an arc larger than curve of the glass or moved the lid farther away from the car, it would work. Thanks for your efforts.
Dave |
Dave
Your right about getting the geometry to move the lid away and up from the glass, or at least no closer, while keeping the mechanism simple. It is the challenge, before I try a mock-up bracket/hinge. Jeff I think at this point, you will be able to do one side at a time, with a prop under the factory hinge arm. Thanks & Rgds David |
I would be interested in the brackets as I'm fed up with the lid coming down on my head due to week springs, I have to prop it open with a piece of alloy bar. Hope you can ship to the UK.
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Great idea. The as designed spring hinge setup is heavy and exhibits what I call "spring sing". The spring tends to resonate with road noise, music from speakers installed in the rear shelf and with suspension impacts.
Also factory spring tends to push up the rear of the trunk up which makes a proper shut line difficult to attain. The strut design will push the boot lid back thus making a proper shut line easier to attain. |
New and improved XJ6 Boot-Lid Hinge
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Originally Posted by Nigel.W
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I would be interested in the brackets as I'm fed up with the lid coming down on my head due to week springs, I have to prop it open with a piece of alloy bar. Hope you can ship to the UK.
The shipping will be $26-43 US.. If you can source two gas struts locally in UK, then international priority small flat rate box would be $26. The kit price would be reduce without the struts included: The lift struts cost $30-35 a pair in US on E-bay. I am still working out geometry for combination Bracket/Hinge, all the while, keeping it simple. I have fabricated the prototype parts and ordered a set of struts to try... They are 8.5" compressed & 12" fully extended , and come with several different lift ratings (20 lbs to 60 lbs each). Once the prototype is up and running I will figure out optimum lift rating, and will provide the details to see if they are available in UK. Thank you for your interest Rgds David |
Many thanks David, I would be interested in the complete package with struts and the shipping is OK with me. Looking forward to your results.
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David,
Recieved my new bonnet stay yesterday. Cannot wait to install it!. Many, many thanks, Ian |
Originally Posted by David84XJ6
(Post 2092040)
Dave
Your right about getting the geometry to move the lid away and up from the glass, or at least no closer, while keeping the mechanism simple. It is the challenge, before I try a mock-up bracket/hinge. Jeff I think at this point, you will be able to do one side at a time, with a prop under the factory hinge arm. Thanks & Rgds David The first prototype hinge/brackets were from metal angles used for house framing. I took one hour for booth sides (one person), but supported OEM hinge arm and Lid. 13"- 2"x 4" for hinge arm and 37.5-38" "broom handle" for Lid (pic). Reached about 1/2 of the target angle of 30 degrees (7.5" additional height of trunk lid). Need to adjust new hinge center point an additional 1/2". Confirmed two possible attach locations for 12" gas struts. Did confirm that OEM springs have more upward force as lid is till forward toward the hinge. Next time with "prototype -2 hinge/bracket" I will attempt to get readings with fish scale. Major finding: The OEM angle brackets have over-sized holes in every direction for alignment (fore and aft--- up and down-- side to side). I took 30+ minutes to get lid back into alignment when re-installing OEM brackets--- one side would go in and another would go out). I have figured out a sequence and with two people, it could be done in 10 minutes. Rgds David https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a00c858544.jpg 13" 2x4 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...b605dac9a4.jpg 37-1/2 to 38" prop https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...9adbecb9e6.jpg First mock-up of Hinge/Bracket (friction knob lock is for prototype only) https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...300ae7ae05.jpg OEM opening https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...2ed3034ac7.jpg 13-1/2 degree increased opening ~+7.5" |
Speaking only for myself, I would Love the main body of the lid almost completely vertical.
That's probable a pipe dream, but that's my idea of Perfection. (";') |
David - Great job! You have a cheering section from me. Again, getting golf clubs into the trunk without me climbing in is my goal.
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Me too. I was getting something out yesterday and bonked my head. Yes, those holes are oversized, when I put the gas strut mount on mine I had to fiddle awhile to get everything lined up and that was just loosening one side.
Do you plan to have the gas struts actually lift the boot lid or do you plan for them (or it) to just hold it open once you manually lift it open? My single strut is 10 pounds and just holds it open once I lift it open. I think you are planning much shorter struts which can be more powerful and will address Elinor's concern of loading from the side. Jeff |
New and improved XJ6 Boot/Trunk-Lid Hinge
Originally Posted by Yellow series 3
(Post 2094901)
Me too. I was getting something out yesterday and bonked my head. Yes, those holes are oversized, when I put the gas strut mount on mine I had to fiddle awhile to get everything lined up and that was just loosening one side.
Do you plan to have the gas struts actually lift the boot lid or do you plan for them (or it) to just hold it open once you manually lift it open? My single strut is 10 pounds and just holds it open once I lift it open. I think you are planning much shorter struts which can be more powerful and will address Elinor's concern of loading from the side. Jeff Second test addresses weak springs only, without additional opening. I installed one 24" x 40 lbs strut to an existing 5/16 hole in OEM hinge arm. Result was trunk lid open by itself to 18" when the latch was released. I think with two struts, it would go all the way to 31". My trunk lid normally stays where I put it, but does not raise itself at all. Based on tests today, I will make a small correction in the hinge/brackets and retry with the two 12" struts. I got the lid re-aligned with three adjustments. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...b35c3fd150.jpg 68 degree opening with modified hinge/bracket https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a524fb1d20.jpg OEM config> one 24" x 40 lbs strut (aft end not secured...has bracket for two screws) https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...1f0c8da6f4.jpg OEM config>Fwd end attached to existing 5/16" hole in Hinge arm. One strut reached this height with out assistance |
31" to 46" is almost a 50% improvement! Way to go Dave!
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That means I could actually reach in without banging my head, even with my broomstick holding at maximum!
I'd go for that! (';') |
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