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944xjs 06-10-2017 04:36 PM

What wire to buy? Recreating engine harness
 
Well I got 12 Bosch injector plugs and have basically charted out the wiring diagram. I just need to get the proper wire. I know it's hot as hell in the Vee, I'm hoping to get the wires up next to the fuel rail. If not though, what should the wire temp handling be at? I found some 16awg that's rated about 250 Fahrenheit. Is that a decent wire temp? I'm going to wrap it in the plastic shield tubing also. And voltage wise?

Doug 06-10-2017 04:49 PM

I use "TXL" grade wiring from Painless Wiring. Seems OK to me; no problems; I'm not an authority on wire specifications.

IMO the most important thing, over and above wire specification, is to get the wire bundles elevated out of the Vee so there isn't direct contact with the engine.

18 Gauge Light Blue TXL Wire w/Black Stripe (25')Details | Painless Performance

Cheers
DD

944xjs 06-10-2017 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Doug (Post 1700973)
I use "TXL" grade wiring from Painless Wiring. Seems OK to me; no problems; I'm not an authority on wire specifications.

IMO the most important thing, over and above wire specification, is to get the wire bundles elevated out of the Vee so there isn't direct contact with the engine.

18 Gauge Light Blue TXL Wire w/Black Stripe (25')Details Painless Performance

Cheers
DD

dang that stuffs pricey for 1 color

warrjon 06-10-2017 06:14 PM

TXL is what most of the manufacturer's use. And is designed for engine bays. GXL is the next step up.

You could use PVC and keep it high as Doug suggested it should last another 20-30 years.

Voltage rating in wire is only the break down voltage of the insulation and most will rated at least 500volts, current rating is more important, and the longer the wire run the heavier duty the wire needs to be. 16ga IIRC is rated at around 20amps and should be fine for the injectors.

944xjs 06-11-2017 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by warrjon (Post 1701015)
TXL is what most of the manufacturer's use. And is designed for engine bays. GXL is the next step up.

You could use PVC and keep it high as Doug suggested it should last another 20-30 years.

Voltage rating in wire is only the break down voltage of the insulation and most will rated at least 500volts, current rating is more important, and the longer the wire run the heavier duty the wire needs to be. 16ga IIRC is rated at around 20amps and should be fine for the injectors.

cool info thanks. Yeah I'm planning on the pvc and keeping it up high.

Grant Francis 06-11-2017 03:24 AM

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Well that is interesting.

I did both mine pre computer days etc.

I simply purchased a roll of 3mm Trailer wiring, Wurth brand, of the 7 core spec. That gave me 7 colours, goodo.

I also decided that the EFI loom was going to sit under the inlet manifolds, on top of the camcovers.

Being as I am different (some say special) I also rewired the engine bay, waaaaaay too many crispy wires to just do a patch job. That led to removing many electrickery items out of the engine bay, and the wiring done in such a fashion that the loom traversed the rear of the engine bay (up under the scuttle panel), and the required "mini" looms traveled from the rear to the front as needed, thus eliminating the under a/c fiasco, and lots of looped wiring down the RH inner guard.

The EFI loom was finished with a header wrap covering (local speed shop supplied), and that has kept that loom soft and pliable since 1994.

This snap shows the basics of the engine bay, and some of the wiring is visible. I took no snaps back then, no thought of the future.

Attachment 148152

I never gave heat range etc any thought, just knew it needed doing, and simply did it.

944xjs 06-11-2017 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Grant Francis (Post 1701176)
Well that is interesting.

I did both mine pre computer days etc.

I simply purchased a roll of 3mm Trailer wiring, Wurth brand, of the 7 core spec. That gave me 7 colours, goodo.

I also decided that the EFI loom was going to sit under the inlet manifolds, on top of the camcovers.

Being as I am different (some say special) I also rewired the engine bay, waaaaaay too many crispy wires to just do a patch job. That led to removing many electrickery items out of the engine bay, and the wiring done in such a fashion that the loom traversed the rear of the engine bay (up under the scuttle panel), and the required "mini" looms traveled from the rear to the front as needed, thus eliminating the under a/c fiasco, and lots of looped wiring down the RH inner guard.

The EFI loom was finished with a header wrap covering (local speed shop supplied), and that has kept that loom soft and pliable since 1994.

This snap shows the basics of the engine bay, and some of the wiring is visible. I took no snaps back then, no thought of the future.

Attachment 148152

I never gave heat range etc any thought, just knew it needed doing, and simply did it.

yeah in reality I think I'm thinking about it too much. The wires were like hard speghetti but it's been almost 30 years. If the loom I make lasts 30 years I think I'm just fine. Ha

Doug 06-11-2017 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Grant Francis (Post 1701176)
I never gave heat range etc any thought, just knew it needed doing, and simply did it.

Years ago we didn't have such easy access to such a wide variety of products. If you wanted something special you had to make umpteen phone calls to find it....after asking those 'in the know' who the most likely sources might be. Long distance phone calls could expensive so we'd often inquire by mail, sending a SASE (Self Addressed Stamped Envelope) to the vendor and waiting 7-10 days for a reply to hit our mailbox.

Lots of work...so we made do with what we could find locally. And it usually worked just fine.

Nowadays it easier to treat ourselves and our cherished old Jags to glitzier, upgraded, higher-spec products. And there's nothing wrong with that.....except those things often have more 'feel good' benefit than tangible, real-world benefit. Injector wire is a great example. We buy the higher spec stuff because we can but (IMO) the most significant benefit comes from simply getting the harness elevated out of the Vee and out of direct contact with the engine.

Cheers
DD

JigJag 07-20-2017 11:16 AM

I just received new EFI connectors, boots, 16ga GXL wire and fiberglass high temp sleeving. Really nice stuff available but hard to find what I wanted so it took me a long time to get everything.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a254642ab0.jpgNew EFI loom parts.

JagCad 07-20-2017 11:34 AM

More than a few decades past, I collected wire for creating or fixing my critters. I found a "great" 'source in junked cars. Best stuff in the trunk Aka boot. Long lengths. Good condition. Great colors. Scratch wired at least a couple that way.


Decades later, a bunch from HF. Probably PVC insulated. I've used it on my Hot Rod ands later, my lump. So far just fine. On hooking up my efans, I used an all weather "trailer connector". Over kill, probably. But no issues for over a decade.


Carl


My mantra, keep the wires away from the heat. It seems

warrjon 07-20-2017 05:42 PM

Heat and PVC are not good bed pals, PVC wire in an engine bay will work, heck the XJS lasted 20-30 years, keep it away from the heat and it'll last longer.

TXL/GXL is better and used by the OEM's these days as the insulation is also thinner and the wire is lighter, you'd be surprised how heavy a complete wiring harness is for a new BMW or Merc.

JigJag 07-27-2017 09:30 AM

From a recent shipment, 16 ga GXL is 37m to the Kilogram.

Yes I I did the conversion from crazy units. 55 ft per pound sounds like a good price to some of you.


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