2010 XKR Supercharger Torsion Isolator
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Hmmm - had a good listen to mine today, and I think I may have the beginnings of this. There's a definite irregular 'clack' coming from the engine at idle. I'll have a word with my indy specialist; I'm due a service soon anyway.
Question is: will Jag cover it as a manufacturing defect, even though I'm well out of warranty? I guess I need to ask the question directly...
Question is: will Jag cover it as a manufacturing defect, even though I'm well out of warranty? I guess I need to ask the question directly...
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Took the XKR out and really lit into her yesterday.. got the RPM up about 5.5-6k... This morning there was no startup noise, so I think that may have just been hydraulic like a board member and my tech suggested - however now I notice the marble in the engine noise much more - weird.... I wonder what is going on???
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Right, I've pushed Jaguar as hard as I can to get details of what is contained in the "supercharger kit" - they won't be specific, but this is what they said:
So, reading between the lines, the implication is that the kit might not simply replace the torsion isolator with an identical one which (presumably) could develop the same fault. Instead, there may be a modified design.
A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
With reference to the technical bulletin in question, this has been produced to fully address this specific concern. While we can never fully guarantee that a concern will not recur in the future, any technical bulletin we release is done so to ensure a robust fix is implemented. We are confident that this will resolve any concerns that may be experienced of this nature moving forward.
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The kit in question includes the relevant latest parts and please be advised that during the course of manufacture of any of our components we will continually modify and improve the design where necessary.
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The kit in question includes the relevant latest parts and please be advised that during the course of manufacture of any of our components we will continually modify and improve the design where necessary.
A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
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Right, I've pushed Jaguar as hard as I can to get details of what is contained in the "supercharger kit" - they won't be specific, but this is what they said:
So, reading between the lines, the implication is that the kit might not simply replace the torsion isolator with an identical one which (presumably) could develop the same fault. Instead, there may be a modified design.
A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
So, reading between the lines, the implication is that the kit might not simply replace the torsion isolator with an identical one which (presumably) could develop the same fault. Instead, there may be a modified design.
A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
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I can't actually find evidence that Eaton is providing a replacement isolator. I know the CTS guys have seen a drawing that shows a solid isolator in a later application, but the only people that I can find selling solid replacements are aftermarket suppliers doing their own versions.
If it is now an 'official' Eaton fix, I'm fairly sure Jag has/will adopt it. If it isn't, it would be a Jag decision and therefore a Jag risk, and they might be reluctant to go that way. Not saying they haven't, but as yet we have no confirmation whether the "Supercharger Spring Isolator Kit" contains a solid replacement, a modified spring isolator or just the same one originally fitted.
By the way, I've discovered a document that explains why they put the isolator in:
The article is actually about the software that Eaton used to do finite-element analysis on the spring design to model stress and look for potential sources of fatigue. It's a shame they didn't do a similar level of analysis on other aspects of the isolator design...
If it is now an 'official' Eaton fix, I'm fairly sure Jag has/will adopt it. If it isn't, it would be a Jag decision and therefore a Jag risk, and they might be reluctant to go that way. Not saying they haven't, but as yet we have no confirmation whether the "Supercharger Spring Isolator Kit" contains a solid replacement, a modified spring isolator or just the same one originally fitted.
By the way, I've discovered a document that explains why they put the isolator in:
In the past, superchargers have been known to produce noise. One source of noise stems from the pressure pulsations that occur as the lobes of the pump mesh and un-mesh during boosted operation. Another source of noise occurs during un-boosted operation, e.g. when the car is stopped and the engine is idling. In this case, vibrations produced by the normal combustion of the engine can be transferred through the belt and cause gear rattle in the supercharger. In a race setting, these various noises are at most a nuisance, but in passenger cars they can be perceived as a lack of quality or perhaps even a more significant problem with the engine itself.
One approach that Eaton uses to isolate the supercharger gears from the engine vibrations is a noise isolating coupling. A crucial component in this coupling is its Single Spring Isolator (SSI) which is situated between an inner and outer hub which enclose the spring in an internal cavity. Each hub is pressed onto its own mating shaft, with the input shaft connected to the front hub and with the rear hub pressed onto the shaft that drives the gears which compress and drive boosted air into the engine.
One approach that Eaton uses to isolate the supercharger gears from the engine vibrations is a noise isolating coupling. A crucial component in this coupling is its Single Spring Isolator (SSI) which is situated between an inner and outer hub which enclose the spring in an internal cavity. Each hub is pressed onto its own mating shaft, with the input shaft connected to the front hub and with the rear hub pressed onto the shaft that drives the gears which compress and drive boosted air into the engine.
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Good suggestion - we're actually trying to get a (non-forum) tech to do just that. The problem will be: unless one of the forum guys has ordered the kit, they're unlikely to have one lying around.
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Johncy2000 (12-09-2015)
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Just an FYI, I carry rebuild parts for all the Jaguar / Eaton Supercharger. I carry most stock parts except the torsion coupler. I only carry upgraded couplers! The torsion couplers weren't as much of a problem in the older M series superchargers but again they were contained in the oil bath with the gears! The TVS supercharger couplers run in a drive cavity just like the corvettes and cadillacs!
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DouglasXKR (07-14-2022)
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