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2010 XKR Supercharger Torsion Isolator

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Old 03-11-2015, 09:01 AM
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Hmmm - had a good listen to mine today, and I think I may have the beginnings of this. There's a definite irregular 'clack' coming from the engine at idle. I'll have a word with my indy specialist; I'm due a service soon anyway.

Question is: will Jag cover it as a manufacturing defect, even though I'm well out of warranty? I guess I need to ask the question directly...
 
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Old 03-11-2015, 03:41 PM
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That's a good question -- I'm well out of my warranty despite only 22k on the car.

I wonder what the 'out of pocket' cost on the parts are?
 

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Old 03-12-2015, 08:10 AM
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The JTB says 4.3 hours labour; parts cost for C2D38554 supercharger kit is about £400 inc. tax, from what I can see online.
 
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Old 03-14-2015, 12:21 AM
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Ah, that's not so bad then. I just looked up the part here in the states and it's about 400 bucks. about 500 in labor to have it installed. Though this is likely one I could do myself.
 
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:28 AM
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The marble thing started a month ago on my XKR but now im getting a chat chat chat at startup that quiets down after 3-4 seconds. Sounds like its coming from the supercharger.... I got a feeling that is something else altogether!

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Old 06-11-2015, 03:57 PM
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Took the XKR out and really lit into her yesterday.. got the RPM up about 5.5-6k... This morning there was no startup noise, so I think that may have just been hydraulic like a board member and my tech suggested - however now I notice the marble in the engine noise much more - weird.... I wonder what is going on???

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Old 06-13-2015, 02:54 PM
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Startup chatter is back... not too bad... but still it returned... going to the dealership to see if they want to start with doing the torsion isolator and check the belts...
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:35 PM
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Right, I've pushed Jaguar as hard as I can to get details of what is contained in the "supercharger kit" - they won't be specific, but this is what they said:

With reference to the technical bulletin in question, this has been produced to fully address this specific concern. While we can never fully guarantee that a concern will not recur in the future, any technical bulletin we release is done so to ensure a robust fix is implemented. We are confident that this will resolve any concerns that may be experienced of this nature moving forward.

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The kit in question includes the relevant latest parts and please be advised that during the course of manufacture of any of our components we will continually modify and improve the design where necessary.
So, reading between the lines, the implication is that the kit might not simply replace the torsion isolator with an identical one which (presumably) could develop the same fault. Instead, there may be a modified design.

A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ngarara
Right, I've pushed Jaguar as hard as I can to get details of what is contained in the "supercharger kit" - they won't be specific, but this is what they said:



So, reading between the lines, the implication is that the kit might not simply replace the torsion isolator with an identical one which (presumably) could develop the same fault. Instead, there may be a modified design.

A forum member is getting his fixed under warranty; we're hoping to learn more from the tech that's doing the work, though there's no guarantee we'll get the information - don't want anyone getting fired for breaching confidentiality rules.
Eaton changed the design go look at ALL of the posts from the cts v guys about this very issue. This is a well documented design issue that was due to eatons original design problems.
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:00 PM
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I can't actually find evidence that Eaton is providing a replacement isolator. I know the CTS guys have seen a drawing that shows a solid isolator in a later application, but the only people that I can find selling solid replacements are aftermarket suppliers doing their own versions.

If it is now an 'official' Eaton fix, I'm fairly sure Jag has/will adopt it. If it isn't, it would be a Jag decision and therefore a Jag risk, and they might be reluctant to go that way. Not saying they haven't, but as yet we have no confirmation whether the "Supercharger Spring Isolator Kit" contains a solid replacement, a modified spring isolator or just the same one originally fitted.

By the way, I've discovered a document that explains why they put the isolator in:

In the past, superchargers have been known to produce noise. One source of noise stems from the pressure pulsations that occur as the lobes of the pump mesh and un-mesh during boosted operation. Another source of noise occurs during un-boosted operation, e.g. when the car is stopped and the engine is idling. In this case, vibrations produced by the normal combustion of the engine can be transferred through the belt and cause gear rattle in the supercharger. In a race setting, these various noises are at most a nuisance, but in passenger cars they can be perceived as a lack of quality or perhaps even a more significant problem with the engine itself.

One approach that Eaton uses to isolate the supercharger gears from the engine vibrations is a noise isolating coupling. A crucial component in this coupling is its Single Spring Isolator (SSI) which is situated between an inner and outer hub which enclose the spring in an internal cavity. Each hub is pressed onto its own mating shaft, with the input shaft connected to the front hub and with the rear hub pressed onto the shaft that drives the gears which compress and drive boosted air into the engine.
The article is actually about the software that Eaton used to do finite-element analysis on the spring design to model stress and look for potential sources of fatigue. It's a shame they didn't do a similar level of analysis on other aspects of the isolator design...
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 01:05 AM
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Might not be a bad idea to get with one of the current techs on the site and have them snap a few pics of it.
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 04:13 AM
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The isolator is not new. Even the M90 model used in the XJ6/R
had one.

It's just that the newest design is flawed.
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler
Might not be a bad idea to get with one of the current techs on the site and have them snap a few pics of it.
Good suggestion - we're actually trying to get a (non-forum) tech to do just that. The problem will be: unless one of the forum guys has ordered the kit, they're unlikely to have one lying around.
 
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:37 PM
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Hello everyone. My XJL SC just starting making a clicking noise upon starting and also mild throttle application from a standstill. Do you guys think it is the Torsion Isolator? Or the water pump going out? My car is a 2012 5.0 SC. Thank you for your time.

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Old 12-05-2015, 03:13 PM
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I had that same sound in my 2010XKR. Luckily under warranty they replaced the whole supercharger with newer model. I believe the newer jag SC have a larger casing where the shaft comes out. Noticed that when changing the pulley.
 
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Old 12-05-2015, 05:02 PM
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The torsion isolator problem apparently sounds like rattling marbles, i.e. erratic. not regular. I'd get it checked
 
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Just an FYI, I carry rebuild parts for all the Jaguar / Eaton Supercharger. I carry most stock parts except the torsion coupler. I only carry upgraded couplers! The torsion couplers weren't as much of a problem in the older M series superchargers but again they were contained in the oil bath with the gears! The TVS supercharger couplers run in a drive cavity just like the corvettes and cadillacs!

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Old 05-17-2016, 05:41 PM
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Thanks qualitysuperchargers! How much is an upgraded torsion isolator? And how much labor does it require? Does the blower need to come off?
 
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Will no links but key words on ebay will lead you to the available parts for the 5.0.

jaguar supercharger 5.0

some pictures from the dissasseble of the 5.0 TVS supercharger.
 
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Old 05-18-2016, 11:45 AM
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Is jag using the upgraded part from Eaton? GM finally gave in a few years ago and admitted it was a design flaw from Eaton and switched to the new isolator design on the CTS-V.
 


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