Should a XK8 or XKR be my first car..?
 

I've always liked Jaguars and I saw the XK8 and XKR for sale and really liked them..

XK8- 2001 Jaguar XK8 in Duarte, CA- 7874216 at carmax.com

XKR- 2005 Jaguar XKR in Orlando, FL- 7614800 at carmax.com

All I really want to know is if they're reliable, and if the maintenance cost is high.

I'm not sure how much the insurance would cost, but I'll also put a Viper 5901 alarm system on this.

Thanks in advance. :)

I'm sorry, I put this in the wrong section.

Will move for a! :)

Zac! Glad you found us. I saw your comment over on my youtube shock mount video, I just haven't responded yet. I was going to tell you to join jaguarforums.

In regards to your question above, the 2001 is WAY overpriced. If you can afford the 2005, that would be the much better car between the two. In 2003 Jaguar made a bunch of changes to the car. the 2003+ cars are much better cars in my opinion, although in the older cars, once you've changed the tensioners, water pump, and thermostat they are just about as reliable.

Insurance is going to be steep for a 16 year old, especially if you get an XKR. It has 400 horsepower.

Thanks both of you. :)

I noticed the link to this forum and thank you for that, Sam..!

I found many on eBay motors, so I might go with that. So I should get the XK8? And is the navigation system any good? I couldn't find any videos showing that on YouTube.

I mean if I should go with the XKR. Sorry about the double.

I really like the XKR but the supercharger whine is a bit annoying haha... I wouldn't mind it.. I was wondering if the suspension soaks up bumps or is it stiff? I'm not sure how many changes the R has over the 8?

That engine bay of the 2005 model looks like it has done 160,000 miles and has been maintained by an Indy. I also see some corrosion.
That 2005 does not givemea warm feeling

Just out of curiosity, what did you mean by that :icon_confused:

Get The "R"!! :icon_headbang:

I have to agree in that haha.

I like this one the most, its pretty loaded!

Jaguar : XK | eBay

I looked at the 2005 XKR out of curiosity since I have one. I have to say that I am always deeply suspicious of adverts that have several pictures of the lovely condition of the rear seats (which nobody ever sits on!) and then strangely forget to include photos of the all-important driver's seat.

I also agree that the engine bay looks untidy, but I don't really see how you can assume it's been maintained by an indy.

Maintainedby an indy!
Looks like there are traces of oil even on the intercoolers. This will never happen at the jaguar dealer as they try to work in a clean way, with clean tools and hands.

The 2005 seems a bit on the low side but at least looks very clean externally. Normally when I see photos posted by dealers there are lots of exterior from all different angles, many interior shots, and also several engine bay shots. When I was scrolling through the 46 photos posted of the 2005, it was not until the very end where there was one photo of the engine bay. It may mean nothing but I found that curious.

The interior looked pretty clean (at least from the angles they took) except for a missing rubber liner in the coin tray in front of the shifter. Also, there was some weird staining at the overhead console homelink buttons (indicating hydraulic leak at the convertible top latch?).

Still, the mileage is not all that bad and if the car checks out it might be worth considering.

Doug

Ok, the mother in me is coming out, 16 YEARS OLD!! All I'm going to say is "lucky little stiff". :icon_confused:

I forgot to opine that if this is going to be a first car for a 16 year old, there are plenty of reasons to be starting with a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic and then progress upwards. But what the hey--here in SoCal it is not unusual to see parents buy new BMW 3's for their little darlings as a sweet-16 present.


Doug

Wow, thanks guys..! :) Yeah haha my sister got a X6 as her first car and I wanted to start out small.. I wanted a SUV but I hate how slow some are. I like the Lincoln MKX but it's like whatever now..

the 2005 xkr..covers missing on the suspention wiring.twin tail pipes chrome bits and pieces..manky roof interior..engine bay dirty..what we engish call..done up like a dogs dinner..and i agree about the drivers seat lack of pictures..also i dont have a problem with chrome bit but this looks dodgy.

my first car was a 99 chevy Suburban that i could beat the crap out of. Which is good, bc with the 5.7L v8 it was quicker than you would expect a yacht like that to be. fits 9 people for road trips, 4x4 for offroad fun. Probably the best car ever for a young kid. Very safe for when you crash, and chances are you will. Cheap to fix, PLUS once you drive something that big, you can drive anything. I dont think anyone should start off with a nice car. just my .02

I don't see any corrosion on that first 05 xkr, the upper shock mounts use orange bushings, that may be what you are referring to. The homelink is extremely dirty, guess the detailer didn't look up! The rest of the car appears in really good coniditon using the pictures as a go-by.

So is the ride on the bumpier sport side, or soft and soaks up bumps? I expect the XKR to have a rougher suspension.. right? And whats the button by the S on the J shifter? Like in this picture:
http://img-00.carmax.com/Images/8/00...5-fe305dc0.jpg

And thanks, the car does look a bit beat up. :P

I guess the nature of the ride depends on where you are coming from. I have seen people on this and other forums complaining about feeling bumps and roughness and road noise but, I swear, they must be coming from a Lexus sedan or other large cushy car.

When I got my 2005 XKR I was coming from a 1995 Corvette and I felt that the Jaguar was way too refined, smooth, quiet, etc. Coming from the Corvette the XKR felt like a Rolls-Royce or something. Whatever road feel and bumpiness there is sure doesn't bother me (which there was a bit more of it).

The "S" button is the so-called sport mode but there is no way I would ever consider XK8/XKR to be sporty in the usual sense. It is really luxury grand touring.

Doug

The XKR has the Computer Active Technology Suspension (CATS) as standard. This is basically an automatic suspension with 2 settings...it gets firmer when you need it at high speeds and around curves. In general, both the XK8 and XKR are a bit firmer than your average sedan, and a bit softer than your average sports car.

That other button just enables the cruise control (ASL=Automatic speed limiter).

Most new drivers are involved in at least one accident with their first or second vehicle. Even if you're very careful. The jag is going to be pricey to fix, just the nature of the jag - so unless you have a financial buffer of several thousand, which most teens don't, or unless your parents are prepared to spot you a few thousand in case of an almost inevitable new driver accident, then no I wouldn't get an XK as a first car.

I don't mean any disrespect, but a 16 year old should not have a 400+ horsepower car. That sort of power takes driving skill that you have not had time to develop. Do yourself a favor start out with less power. At the speeds that machine can go one mistake and you could get seriously hurt.

I find that very condescending :icon_neutral: Speaking as an indy

i just disconnected everything in my xk8 . ready for engine transmission pull. should post pics in a minute here.

That was probably the Carmax repair facility that was sloppy not a Jaguar Indy. Carmax did a terrible job on my sisters jeep before it went on the lot, she had to take it and have them fix the issues later. I believe they do give you a short warranty, so you can get it checked out and take it back if need be. This cars engine compartment just looks old for a 2005, may be Florida's weather? But even with the worn engine compartment the xkr is the better deal for sure.

My experience with independent shops is that they are better and less hurried than the dealers and often times more resourceful, at-least for Mercedes, have yet to experience a Jaguar independent shop but i bet the same is true for many.

As for an xkr at 16, hmmm, maintenance costs could be very high and insurance will be high. Also if you get in an accident these things are usually totaled, i'd hate to see what that would do to your future insurance rate. It all depends on whether your parents are willing to bank roll all those possible if not likely scenario's. Not to mention the possible haters in the school parking lot.

Not sure about that. The first car I drove the day I got my license was my father's jaguar to pick up my grand parents. I never had any accident in that car but had many in other cars I cared less about

:)

Is this thread a wind-up? :D I had to wait until I was in my mid 40s before I could afford a 'small' car like the XKR.

I have to say, that as totally cool a Jaguar XKR would be for a young driver, it just is NOT THE CAR TO START WITH! They are wonderful but can be very temperamental, they have the potential to push you (as an inexperienced driver) too far and you may make a mistake that could kill you or others and certainly be a waaaay expensive mistake.

As a father that wants his son to drive something cool, please consider other alternatives out there. Rides that are not $$$$ but have originality and are really cool personal transportation.

My son, a high school senior chose a 1990 Mazda RX-7 when he was 16. We rebuilt it together and cleaned it up real nice. It has 150K miles on it and even with a near total rebuild he doesn't have more than $4500 in it and insurance is dirt cheap. NOBODY he hangs with is driving anything even close in the "cool car factor" two years later...

Good luck

Having passenger space was fairly important. I've always drove large luxury cars to complement small sports car, and they are a whole lot more functional than a small sports car. Here's the combos I had:

Lincoln Town Car - Triumph GT6
BMW 740i - Corvette Convertible
BMW 740i & Audi A4 - Corvette Convertible & Jaguar XKR Convertible

If I were the OP, and I were looking for a Jaguar, I'd go XJR. Not having space means that fewer friends fit in the car. Most of my friends are female, and most aren't very tall, and every one of them complains when stuck with back seat in my XKR. It's always, "Can't we take the BMW?"

Also, saying the starting out small comment seems like your trying to bait the members here, even if you just meant the physical size of the vehicle. Just sayin'.

Interesting read, I bought my 8 when I was 23 and have had it two years now without any accidents (touch wood).

I definately agree about starting off with a cheap car, accidents are inevitable (even if it's not your fault). Plus like someone said, I couldn't imagine turning up at the college I went to in my 8 and someone not keying it within the year.

Choosing an 8/R, depends entirely what you're after. Why do you want an XK? For the speed, looks, comfort?

I worked for the college I went to and nice cars were getting keyed, hit and run, etc in the staff lot that was camera monitored and regularly patrolled. The student lot was even worse...

I'm 24 and bought my XKR at 23, a Corvette at 18, an a Triumph GT6 at 16. Never any mishaps in the sports cars, and only one slow speed mishap in my regular boaty Lincoln Town Car. I got cut off in high school and although it wasn't my fault, the car was still jacked up. Currently I am looking at replacing the Corvette with a Lotus Esprit Turbo SE or S4 within the next year.

To the OP:
Work hard at school, the savings from scholarships are so massive that the difference in student loans can be a brand new XKR or even as much as a house! I worked hard(full time school AND work), still had to pay some tuition after scholarships and grants, and got a 3.73 graduating GPA with my Bachelors in Computer Science. I had offers from 3 fantastic companies right after graduation. It makes a HUGE difference; the fact I graduated debt free and got a huge job is WAY more important than how sweet a car I drove as a teenager. If you think you can go great in school and have the nice stuff, go ahead, otherwise it may prove to be too much a distraction.

Are you used to driving over 400 HP cars or will you be dangerous?

First, do they pass DMV smog?

Repairs will cost more than expected. Over $1,000 to have XK8 radiator replaced by indy. Get a list of all the parts that have been replaced by the previous owners. Read through the DIY posts, to see what many owners are repairing. The cost of parts for an XKR may be quite a bit more than for an XK8, i.e. brakes & rotors.

Wow thanks guys.. yeah my high school has pretty old cars. Best car is a 300C or a 2005 X5. I was thinking a G35 sedan, or a BMW 3-series. I have 3 brothers and a sister and my family mostly consists of luxury cars and my brother has a 3-series sedan and I like that car probably the best, and my other brother has a ES350. I love SUV's but I think a sedan would be better. The prices for a XK8 or XKR would probably drop when I get my car.. maybe even enough to get the recent re-designed one haha..

Hello Zac,

Welcome to the forum!

Personal experience. I had a pretty tough time early on, so your mileage may vary. :)

I accidentally killed my first few cars - wrecked them, blew the motor, blew the tranny, let them rot in the sun, beat them up, didn't change the oil, and so on.

I found that, after I neglected a car for a while, it became a problem. Not only did I have a junky car, I had to change it out.

Of course, this is an endless cycle - nelgect, replace, neglect. And if the car dies, you have to beg rides.

If I were advising younger self, I would say - start with the cheap, robust ones and work your way up. You will be happier, and lessons will be cheaper. :)

I used to think that expensive, or flashy, or cool would make me happy. But I learned that easy to live with is just as important to my quality of life.

Jags, like many cool exotic cars, have fiddly problems, and can be expensive to maintain and repair.

This is why my wife and daughter both drive Japanese cars, and love them. Because women are smarter than men. :)

Good luck in your search.

I will NEVER take my car to the dealer. My "Indie" shop is amazing.

They lay down multiple protective covers all over, the mechanic doesn't overcharge and rarely ever goes over quoted hours, even on custom stuff they've never seen (Colliflower Hyd Hose kit, NP cats, etc...).

After having seen how well my mechanic takes care of my car, I know for certain that no dealership can ever compare.

In fact, if I need to wait 2-3 weeks to even get an appointment, I'll let my car sit and wait it out.

I don't even get 2nd opinions/quotes anymore.

But my "indie" shop mostly does British stuff. Mainly Jaguars and Land Rovers.



If you're in SF Bay Area, try out British-European Exclusive in Campbell and if you doubt them, hang out and watch them work. They don't mind, and Don is super talkative, and no, you don't get charged for gab-time here.


On-topic: Get the XKR. Never buy an older XK8 when you can get a newer XKR.