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Higgins Nov 30, 2018 12:38 PM

Upper control arm removal - bushing issue
 
I'm in the process of replacing some bushings and joints in the front end of my Xkr,2000 year model. Some of the bushings are already replaced recently like the control arm bushings and the bushings for the anti-roll bar. What I plan to replace now is the rest; the lower shock absorber bushings, upper shock mounts, tie end rods and all ball joints.

When I loosen the bolt for the upper control arm (see picture below) a part of the right hand bushing is separating from the bushing itself. The part separating is in the shape of a washer and seems to me to be the "wall" of the bushing. Together with the actual washer of course, so that it seems to be two washers on the bolt. The part from the bushing is very tight to the bolt, so when I pressed the bolt out the "washer" followed the bolt out.

Is this a normal behaviour? Or is this causing me problems later on? Those bushing were replaced one year ago by my workshop and I would prefer not to need to change them again

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...4f7347e071.jpg
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fmertz Nov 30, 2018 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Higgins (Post 1995361)
What I plan to replace now is the rest; the lower shock absorber bushings, upper shock mounts, tie end rods and all ball joints.

You can remove the wheel well liner. It leaves enough room to remove the strut without dealing with the upper control arm at all...

GGG Nov 30, 2018 05:32 PM

The OE upper wishbone bush is not a single component - it can be completely dismantled and go back together without damage.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...2d5fb5e1ec.jpg

It looks like the flat washer (arrowed in red) has come out of the rubber moulding. Just carefully press it back in.

Graham

Higgins Dec 1, 2018 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by GGG (Post 1995504)
The OE upper wishbone bush is not a single component - it can be completely dismantled and go back together without damage.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...2d5fb5e1ec.jpg

It looks like the flat washer (arrowed in red) has come out of the rubber moulding. Just carefully press it back in.

Graham

Thank you for the advice!

Jandreu Dec 1, 2018 05:06 AM

Be sure to note the inner shims, location of each as they are different sizes. They must go back in exactly as remove or your tracking will be off.

Higgins Dec 1, 2018 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Jandreu (Post 1995631)
Be sure to note the inner shims, location of each as they are different sizes. They must go back in exactly as remove or your tracking will be off.

Thanks for the headsup. That one I was aware of thanks to the eminent video at Youtube by Sam1174

Johnken Dec 1, 2018 12:20 PM

Looks like you got your answer, yes its ok and normal. Just in case you are still in the middle of this job: watch the washer as you pound the bolt out. It can move with the bolt and get jammed up against one of the metal protrusions. Sounds like a simple so what, but i remember it being a real roadblock in this job. Keeping the washer free from binding will save you from frustrating headaches.

John

White Bear Dec 2, 2018 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Jandreu (Post 1995631)
Be sure to note the inner shims, location of each as they are different sizes. They must go back in exactly as remove or your tracking will be off.

Those shims are for caster adjustment not alignment. IMHO, within reason, the more caster the better, so when I did this job I placed the shims to give maximum caster, the car is now very stable, and drives like its on rails.
By the way Johnken is right, keep that washer up against the arm to prevent it from binding.
Regards,

Higgins Dec 3, 2018 03:35 AM

White bear, thanks for that story. I plan to do the same, increase caster for better steering. To increase caster, you moved shims from the rear side of the control arm to the front side?

White Bear Dec 4, 2018 09:36 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...39af49f57.jpeg
I added the thin shim to #1 and #4 removing it from #2 & #3 increasing caster to the maximum using the shims.
Regards,

Higgins Feb 9, 2019 12:35 PM

White bear,

can your described modification really give maximum caster angle? I can understand that there is a difference to left side and right side of the car, but to me your change will give maximum caster on one side and minimum caster on the other

scottatl Feb 9, 2019 02:26 PM

that bolt is hard to get out even with the wheel liner removed, I remember the struggle.

dibbit Feb 10, 2019 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by scottatl (Post 2025423)
that bolt is hard to get out even with the wheel liner removed, I remember the struggle.

I've just done mine. The passenger side slid out quite easily, the drivers side needed to be soaked in penetrating oil before it would move at all.

Higgins Feb 10, 2019 02:38 AM

I have left to put everything back together. Got my control arms back from the workshop after they pressed out all the old ball joints and pressed new ones in. But wants to set maximum caster also when putting it all together, and since the pain in the process of getting the fulcrum bolt out I want to get things right from the start

kdm Feb 10, 2019 05:01 PM

I recently replaced the front springs, upper A-arm bushings and outer tie rod ends on my 2000 XKR with 71,000 miles. The ride height in the front had dropped about 1 inch (so 14.75 inches) and I was wearing out the inside of both front tires as camber was way off. Toe measurements looked good at the time. Removing the a-arm bolt was a bear - one side took almost 3 hours and the other was about an hour. No corrosion at all - just very tight clearances through the aluminum mounts on the body. I initially thought it might have been the inner diameter of the bushing washers binding on the bolt, but once off I checked and they they were ok.

I compared the uncompressed height of both old and new springs and they were an inch difference. Once everything was installed it brought the front ride height back to 15.75 inches and was able to get camber in spec. Took it in for an alignment yesterday to get toe set. Hoping this get tire wear back to normal. Have not had an issue with rear tire wear and ride height there is about 15.5 inches.

Sad part of all this is I worked on the front end about year and half ago when I replaced the upper shock mounts with Welsh poly mounts along with lower shock mount bushings, sway bar, drop links etc. I had to fight with the a-arm bolts then as well (along with compressing the springs). Not sure why I didn't replace the springs then. Glutton for punishment I guess.


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