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chXFS 04-11-2013 06:28 PM

Mina Exhaust (help)
 
Just put on my exhaust yesterday. First impression when outside of the vehicle it has a low rumble but not loud at all. But when I started driving my whole cabin is filled with a real low drone at 1500 RPM. cruising is fine but if I so much as tap the gas the drone begins. Is there something wrong with the exhaust I received? I read many reviews before buying and all were positive. Is this normal until break in?

cwood 04-11-2013 06:33 PM

Don't have one but I would say you either have body to pipe contact somewhere or its just the nature of the beast.

chXFS 04-11-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by cwood (Post 716027)
Don't have one but I would say you either have body to pipe contact somewhere or its just the nature of the beast.

Thanks, I watched the shop put it on. They were very good and even bent the tabs that some have reported making noise. But I will check.

ajmarton 04-12-2013 08:22 AM

I have/had the same issue with my 2012 XFR. Luckily I am local to Mina and Chris had me come over to his shop. He looked at my installation and the tabs were not pushed back. So I went to his recommended muffler shop and they installed a new pair. Sound was somewhat better but it's still louder on the inside than with the stock mufflers. I have had them on now for several months. Using dynamic mode seems to help. Also, letting off the gas when you hit cruising speed - you may even save gas! But I think it's the nature of the beast. I go back and forth on what to do. But I get so many compliments on the exhaust note! Even from the service guys at the Jag dealer. I guess it's the price you pay for a sportier sound. I have gotten used to it and bet I would think the exhaust is too quiet if I go back to the factory set but I still may do that. I go back and forth as the exhaust note is sweat. Andrew in LA


Originally Posted by chXFS (Post 716031)
Thanks, I watched the shop put it on. They were very good and even bent the tabs that some have reported making noise. But I will check.


Executive 04-12-2013 01:53 PM

The drone is normal.
If you don't like it now, it will get much less bearable as you drive a few thousand miles for them to break in.

I personally can't stand a drone in a vehicle, especially a luxury one. I would go back to OEM mufflers.

hlgeorge 04-12-2013 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Executive (Post 716604)
The drone is normal.
If you don't like it now, it will get much less bearable as you drive a few thousand miles for them to break in.

I personally can't stand a drone in a vehicle, especially a luxury one. I would go back to OEM mufflers.

Agreed!

I put the Mina exhaust on my XJ and regretted it. It wasn't really loud, but it is just not what a Luxury Jaguar is supposed to sound like. I find my '12 XF is very quiet, but if I really put the peddle to the metal, it has a very nice growl to it. I am not wealthy, but I really love a nice Jag and have worked hard all my life to be able to have a new one every once in a while. I just don't understand taking an expensive Jaguar and turning it into a "Hoopty"!! To each his own I guess.

ajmarton 04-12-2013 11:48 PM

Well I had the opportunity to drive a Maserati GT for a week and the exhaust note was intoxicating. It was the perfect blend and no drone sound within the cabin. In fact, I got a hold of the US Jag rep and told him that the Jag engineers should check it out. I personally think the exhaust note (exterior) is too soft on the XFR. But I agree that I don't like the drone sound associated with the aftermarket mufflers. Andrew in LA


Originally Posted by hlgeorge (Post 716672)
Agreed!

I put the Mina exhaust on my XJ and regretted it. It wasn't really loud, but it is just not what a Luxury Jaguar is supposed to sound like. I find my '12 XF is very quiet, but if I really put the peddle to the metal, it has a very nice growl to it. I am not wealthy, but I really love a nice Jag and have worked hard all my life to be able to have a new one every once in a while. I just don't understand taking an expensive Jaguar and turning it into a "Hoopty"!! To each his own I guess.


hlgeorge 04-13-2013 03:54 PM

If you absolutely have to have a louder sounding car, you may want to look into an active exhaust system. This will allow you to cruise around with a stock sound, but at the flip of a switch, you can turn it into an exhaust monster.

bryanbailey06 04-14-2013 12:48 AM

I am interested in this exhaust. Does anyone have anymore feedback?

axr6 04-14-2013 10:46 AM

Apparently, most V8s have a tendency for droning at sub 2000 RPMs. Any free flowing exhaust, such as the Mina, will bring out that drone.

I put the Mina onto my '08XK and it droned quite a bit at low RPMs. With the 6 speed trannies, the low drone RPMs tend to correspond with freeway cruising RPMs. With the XK I also gained lots of documented high RPM power from the Mina but, lost a fair amount of low end torque. It now required me to shift down at low RPMs (1500) instead of being able to cleanly pull away in 6th gear. With the Mina you almost HAVE TO use your paddle shifters at low RPMs to get rid of the drone and to have decent pulling torque.

I was offered a good deal to install the Mina on my 2012 XJL and I turned it down. The last thing I wanted was a droning exhaust on my luxury cruiser. It is perfect as it is. Same goes for my new XF.

Albert

ilwill77 04-14-2013 03:43 PM

I have the Mina exhaust on my '12 XF and noticed a little drone but still very pleased with the exhaust note.

From my experience when going to an aftermarket exhaust you will introduce some level of drone at some RPM range(s). I currently also own a Mustang, Corvette & F350 diesel all with different brands of aftermarket exhaust and all will produce drone at some RPM ranges.

Just my 2 cents, think it comes down to personal preferences

Executive 04-15-2013 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by hlgeorge (Post 717256)
If you absolutely have to have a louder sounding car, you may want to look into an active exhaust system. This will allow you to cruise around with a stock sound, but at the flip of a switch, you can turn it into an exhaust monster.

That is most likely the best solution.

Although, i find the exhaust on my NA 5 liter XF to be perfect. It's very quite when in the low RPM range, but once the loud pedal is pressed, i hear popping, crackling etc.

Jaguar designed it just right.

Wife's Tech 04-19-2013 03:38 PM

Audio volume turned up cures the drone of an AM exhaust.... :icon_band:

Redjaguar100 04-20-2013 12:14 AM

I have the spires exhaust system and I must say, I love the note and have been very happy with fit and finish. I have had it since 2010 and it doesn't drone. I have had different system with other car including borla. In many situations, the smaller the mufflers, the more the drone. IMHO

Kyu 04-22-2013 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Redjaguar100 (Post 721429)
I have the spires exhaust system and I must say, I love the note and have been very happy with fit and finish. I have had it since 2010 and it doesn't drone. I have had different system with other car including borla. In many situations, the smaller the mufflers, the more the drone. IMHO

well Spires is very well made, Inspired by the OEM XFR system, just better flowing and lighter.

vs Mina's and Arden which is basically in-house design that is similar to Boral's design which explains the droning.

Not saying they are poorly designed but, it is not as sophisticated or dedicated design as it should be.

But that should explain a 600 Exhaust vs. Spires which is what.. 2.2k ? I forgot their cost now.

You get what you pay for,
Mina's exhaust is still a good exhaust, considering not many out there for us.

For now, I my self am sticking with OEM, it's still pretty loud when I step on it
but during city cruise it's nice and quiet.
I have a XF Supercharged, ultimate black, so it looks luxury and it should sound luxury as well.

If i had a White XFR, that's a complete different story, I'd sport the hell out of it lol


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