4.2L engine rebuild question
Hello all,
After trying unsuccessfully to get the stuck engine in my '86 XJ6 un-stuck, I ended up pulling it and the transmission. I still haven't successfully gotten it unstuck - even with the head off, the oil pan removed, I can't see any reason it won't turn. Perhaps I'll find a seized bearing when I start to remove pistons/crank, but the oil was clean and I just don't see any evidence of it. But regardless of this I may as well fully overhaul it. Is there a good guide for overhauling this engine that anyone can recommend? Or best source of rebuild kits (in the US)? Not sure yet if new pistons will be necessary. This is my first time working on an XK. Thank you! |
loosen the con rods and crank bearing caps, use a spray lube or fine machine oil (baby oil) around the edges of the pistons to get lube down the bore & rings, then try turn it
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can't you get a replacement engine where you are ?
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Originally Posted by xjtom
(Post 2681926)
loosen the con rods and crank bearing caps, use a spray lube or fine machine oil (baby oil) around the edges of the pistons to get lube down the bore & rings, then try turn it
Originally Posted by Jose
(Post 2681931)
can't you get a replacement engine where you are ?
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hate to say it but a rebuild is never cheap. Machine work and parts will cost thousands.
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if you can free it up easy, just check crank shaft mains & big ends, then you'll know if it's worth while or not
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Now you've got the head off, is it a slotted block you're looking at ? If it is, then just a light skim of the block deck will be OK, not forgetting to bolt the timing cover on before you skim. The timing cover is part of the deck face. If you don't the head gasket may not seal properly at the front of the engine. Also check the timing cover for corrosion around the coolant passage which allows coolant to flow into the block from the pump. It is not unknown for corrosion to get so bad that coolant escapes into the timng chest and into the engine oil.
Also religiously clean out the coolant jacket in the block and renew all the core plugs. Plus take out all the crankshaft plugs and clear out the crud. Replace and stake them. |
Much appreciate the advice! Just a few questions...
Originally Posted by Fraser Mitchell
(Post 2682137)
Now you've got the head off, is it a slotted block you're looking at ? If it is, then just a light skim of the block deck will be OK, not forgetting to bolt the timing cover on before you skim. The timing cover is part of the deck face. If you don't the head gasket may not seal properly at the front of the engine. Also check the timing cover for corrosion around the coolant passage which allows coolant to flow into the block from the pump. It is not unknown for corrosion to get so bad that coolant escapes into the timng chest and into the engine oil. Also religiously clean out the coolant jacket in the block and renew all the core plugs. Plus take out all the crankshaft plugs and clear out the crud. Replace and stake them.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...4b142b70a3.jpg Is skimming the deck really necessary if it cleans up nicely? Also here's what bearing surfaces looked like: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...d2486a2345.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...a0d324a456.jpg One of the rod bearings wiped clean I forgot to take a pic of the crank bearing surfaces - they're quite good, although not perfect. Here's what cylinder bores look like: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...4a490bc58c.jpg Given all this I'm thinking of not worrying too much about deck skimming, opening up all the plugs, etc. First a careful but not too thorough cleaning, then I would have the crank polished (TBD if necessary), replace all bearings and seals, lightly hone cylinders, new piston rings, new timing chains, and a valve job (head looks pretty good, so TBD if necessary). Am I grossly underestimating the size of this job? Tell me if I'm nuts. I have to be honest here - I have done a lot of repairs but this would be my first engine rebuild. Trying to create a reliable driver but not spend a fortune. I still have one stuck piston to get out too - trying to be very careful to not score any surfaces or damage the block. |
going well, check if the ridge in the bores needs a skim, stuck piston, thin machine oil or dilute engine oil down around the piston edge, leave for a while then try move up a little then down then up and so on till it feels free to move out......do you have a 3 arm deglazer or brush type for the bores?...can you post a pic of the studs into the lower block?
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Good news today - after letting the stuck piston sit with a bit of PB Blaster for a couple of days it came out with a couple of bonks with a 2x4. The bore actually looks pretty good - I think it should be pretty clean with a light honing.
Originally Posted by xjtom
(Post 2683624)
going well, check if the ridge in the bores needs a skim, stuck piston, thin machine oil or dilute engine oil down around the piston edge, leave for a while then try move up a little then down then up and so on till it feels free to move out......do you have a 3 arm deglazer or brush type for the bores?...can you post a pic of the studs into the lower block?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...98f3d3f6d5.jpg (middle cylinder in this pic was the stuck one) https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...3d4452670f.jpg View of block from timing cover area |
looking good, a 3 leg deglazer or bore brush will do, either of those should clean up those ridges, looks like you'll be able to do the bare minimum to get it running again.....i'm sure you'll get lots of expensive advise on how many thousands you should be spending but i'm a cheap-o, don't cut corners - just do it on the cheap...
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Originally Posted by xjtom
(Post 2683869)
looking good, a 3 leg deglazer or bore brush will do, either of those should clean up those ridges, looks like you'll be able to do the bare minimum to get it running again.....i'm sure you'll get lots of expensive advise on how many thousands you should be spending but i'm a cheap-o, don't cut corners - just do it on the cheap...
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i have a 75 xj6 s2, same motor, what i'm working on next is an electric oil pump to pre-prime the motor before start, mine sits for quite a while between drives, so elimate that initial start up rattle and a back up if the oil pump fails
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I may have been overly optimistic when I looked over this engine block initially. Taking a closer look one of the cylinders has me worried. Thoughts?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...f4c98b922.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.jag...b8247cec7.jpeg Is that a crack going allll the way down the cylinder? Is this block now scrap? At first I was thinking it was just surface residue but I tried to scrape it away (probably shouldn’t have) and the more I look at it the more it looks like a crack. Might have to take it to a machine shop for evaluation. |
A crack to me seem to be unlikely given the construction of the block (no wet liners) but I doubt that you will get away with a light honing as the ridges in all cylinders seem to be quite deep. But difficult to judge from the pictures only.
If the deck of the block cleans fine I think you may get away with it without skimming. but I advise to have the head checked and if necessary skimmed as they do have a tendency to distort. |
Being a 4,2 Liter it shall have dry liners if I'm rigth.
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Crack ?
Get a dye penetrant kit !
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Mistake. sorry
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Originally Posted by pfl
(Post 2690002)
Being a 4,2 Liter it shall have dry liners if I'm rigth.
If you look at the videos on ths YouTube site, you'll see these coolant passages exposed. The block was being restored to use after suffering cracking between bores, by the use of lipped liners https://www.youtube.com/@JAMSIONLINE/search |
Accusump
Originally Posted by xjtom
(Post 2683879)
i have a 75 xj6 s2, same motor, what i'm working on next is an electric oil pump to pre-prime the motor before start, mine sits for quite a while between drives, so elimate that initial start up rattle and a back up if the oil pump fails
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