Spare Wheel/Tire for XKRs with Alcon Brakes
 

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Owners of 2008 and 2009 XKR Portfolios equipped with the optional Alcon brake package have an emergency inflator kit instead of a compact spare tire because the OEM compact spare doesn't clear the oversized 6-piston front caliper.

I just learned from Brutal (THANKS!) that the compact spare from the new XJ will clear the calipers and fit in the trunk of the XK. Note that there are 2 different spares available for the new XJ, one red and the other black. Black is the one to get.

Here's Brutal's quote:
"yeah you need the black spare from a new XJ(they come red or black). It has a larger offset and will clear the brakes, and fit in the trunk. Been there done that. that was easy."

I'll order that spare from my friendly Jaguar dealer tomorrow.

2-17-2012: IMPORTANT UPDATE to CORRECT ERRONEOUS ADVICE
My dealer received the black compact spare wheel I ordered, so I went there today to see if it would fit as Brutal claimed. It fit on the front, but did not fit on the rear since it interfered with the caliper. I was surprised, since I assumed that if it cleared the 6-piston front caliper it would easily fit on the rear, which has a smaller 4-piston caliper. Not so!

Although smaller, the rear caliper protrudes farther outward from the hub than the front caliper, thereby preventing the wheel from seating on the hub. I asked the tech about possibly using a wheel spacer to provide additional clearance, and he advised against it noting that a spacer might not be safe. :icon_frown:

Sorry to disappoint you owners of cars with Alcon brakes, but the quest for the golden spare continues... :icon_poop:

I did a little more research about using a wheel spacer and here's what I learned. Jaguar wheels are hubcentric and were not designed to accept a matching hubcentric spacer. If you use a spacer, the load will be on the lug bolts (unsafe) instead of the hub (safe). See this informative link: Hubcentric Adapter


10-14-2012 IMPORTANT UPDATE - PROBLEM SOLVED!
I am pleased to report that I now have a fully functional compact spare wheel and tire, jack and factory toolkit in the trunk well of my Alcon-brake equipped 2009 XKR Portfolio Cvt. Here's how I did it:

1. I bought a brand new 19" compact spare wheel mounted with a 135/70-19 105M tire and complete factory toolkit including the foam tray from a seller on eBay.uk who was parting out a wrecked 2011 XJ Supersport. That compact spare wheel is black, not red. It fits on the front of my Alcon-brake equipped XKR without any modifications, but it hits the rear caliper.

2. To enable that 19" compact spare to fit on the rear, I ordered one custom-made spacer from Motorsport-Tech in Nevada. Lennie Jr. is a great guy to work with and I recommend him highly! Spacer specs are as follows: hub centric, thickness 7mm, bolt pattern 5x108mm, hub diameter 63.4. Here's their website: We manufacture the best Wheel Spacers money can buy | Motorsport Tech Click on the "configure for any vehicle" link. This spacer fits perfectly and allows the 19" compact spare wheel to clear the Alcon calipers on the rear axle without any modification to the wheel studs.

Note that after I pushed the inflated spare into the well, it was a very tight fit and difficult to get out! So I deflated that tire a bit and it is now easy to remove. Since I still have the factory 12v inflator in the trunk well, I can easily re-inflate it to the proper pressure. Hopefully, I'll never need to put the spare on. But it's comforting to know that I now have a real spare in the trunk.
My thanks to Brutal for pointing me in the right direction!:icon_beerchug:
Photo to be posted soon...

Here it is:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8047/8...e79a4a026f.jpg




Stuart


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Great information!

Thanks

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Thanks for your informative thread :)

IMPORTANT UPDATE to CORRECT ERRONEOUS ADVICE
 

2-17-2012: IMPORTANT UPDATE to CORRECT ERRONEOUS ADVICE
My dealer received the black compact spare wheel I ordered, so I went there today to see if it would fit as Brutal claimed. It fit on the front, but did not fit on the rear since it interfered with the caliper. I was surprised, since I assumed that if it cleared the 6-piston front caliper it would easily fit on the rear, which has a smaller 4-piston caliper. Not so!

Although smaller, the rear caliper protrudes farther outward from the hub than the front caliper, thereby preventing the wheel from seating on the hub. I asked the tech about possibly using a wheel spacer to provide additional clearance, and he advised against it noting that a spacer might not be safe. :icon_frown:

Sorry to disappoint you owners of cars with Alcon brakes, but the quest for the golden spare continues... :icon_poop:

I did a little more research about using a wheel spacer and here's what I learned. Jaguar wheels are hubcentric and were not designed to accept a matching hubcentric spacer. If you use a spacer, the load will be on the lug bolts (unsafe) instead of the hub (safe). See this informative link: Hubcentric Adapter



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10-14-2012 important update - problem solved!
 

10-14-2012 IMPORTANT UPDATE - PROBLEM SOLVED!

I am pleased to report that I now have a fully functional compact spare wheel and tire, jack and factory toolkit in the trunk well of my Alcon-brake equipped 2009 XKR Portfolio Cvt. Here's how I did it:

1. I bought a brand new 19" compact spare wheel mounted with a 135/70-19 105M tire and complete factory toolkit including the foam tray from a seller on eBay.uk who was parting out a wrecked 2011 XJ Supersport. That compact spare wheel is black, not red. It fits on the front of my Alcon-brake equipped XKR without any modifications, but it hits the rear caliper.

2. To enable that 19" compact spare to fit on the rear, I ordered one custom-made spacer from Motorsport-Tech in Nevada. Lennie Jr. is a great guy to work with and I recommend him highly! Spacer specs are as follows: hub centric, thickness 7mm, bolt pattern 5x108mm, hub diameter 63.4. Here's their website: We manufacture the best Wheel Spacers money can buy | Motorsport Tech Click on the "configure for any vehicle" link. This spacer fits perfectly and allows the 19" compact spare wheel to clear the Alcon calipers on the rear axle without any modification to the wheel studs.

Note that after I pushed the inflated spare into the well, it was a very tight fit and difficult to get out! So I deflated that tire a bit and it is now easy to remove. Since I still have the factory 12v inflator in the trunk well, I can easily re-inflate it to the proper pressure. Hopefully, I'll never need to put the spare on. But it's comforting to know that I now have a real spare in the trunk.
My thanks to Brutal for pointing me in the right direction!:icon_beerchug:
Photo to be posted soon...
Here it is:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8047/8...e79a4a026f.jpg
Stuart

Stuart,

Thanks so much for posting this. I've been somewhat paranoid about driving around with no spare wheel, as a puncture just seems a matter of 'when' not 'if' here in Phoenix. We seem to have a much higher than average number of truck drivers that think its OK to drive around with all sorts of unsecured crap in their flatbeds, continuously dropping nails, screws and worse all over the road.

That compressor of foam seems a really poor replacement for an actual wheel. I'm guessing its:
a) a one-shot use
b) expensive to replace
c) only good for small holes, not a gash

Also even for a small puncture, if you use the foam apparently you can't just clean/repair the tire after, so getting a flat even just from a nail now means the cost of at least 2 new tires (as you probably should replace the other side too in order to balance out the wear).

Like you I'll probably get a parted out wheel and toolkit. Assuming I also get the spacer from Lenny, do you happen to know which Jag models/years would have spare wheels compatible with doing this? Is it only the one from the 2011 XK supersport or will any 19" jag compact spare do?

Thanks,
Neil

Neil,

All I know for sure is that the 19" black compact spare from the 2011-up XJ/XJLSupersport will work (with a spacer for the rear).

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8...558c0475c6.jpg

As for other Jaguar 19" compact spares, the only way to know for sure is to check with your Jaguar dealer and see if the part number is the same as the black spare from the XJ/XJL Supersport. I don't know the p/n of my spare. It's possible that Land Rover uses the same spare with the same p/n.

Although many current Jaguar models share the same wheel diameter, bolt circle, and center bore, the offsets vary. Offset can determine whether the wheel will clear the brake caliper. The black 19" spare didn't have enough offset to clear the rear calipers but that was fixed with a spacer.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Stuart

Stuart:

Found your thread here and thanks so much for the input. Now I am on the hunt for the spare tire. If you or any others have an outlet for the spare tire and where to buy it, I would appreciate the info. I just can't trust the inflator. Mine says use before May 2012, so it is outdated.

Richard,

Your 12v inflator isn't outdated, only the can of tire goop to seal the puncture. Just buy a can of Fix-a-Flat at Pep Boys and you're good to go!

Don't forget to keep a Bible in the trunk so you can pray you never get a flat!:icon_goofygrin:

Stuart

Spare Tire Found....Will it work? XKR Portfolio Owners:

I found this on eBay........can anybody tell me if this will fit my 2009 XKR Portfolio as the way that member Stuart S has described above. I would also order the spacer as described above. Any input will be helpful. I am new to the Jaguar brand and the learning curve is steep. I appreciate any advice. See link below.

Found this on Ebay.....will it work for our application of spare tire?

JAGUAR NEW 19" XFR XJR XKR XKRS SPACESAVER SPARE WHEEL 135 70 19 XF XJ XK | eBay

Thanks...please advise.

Stuart:

I have found a spacesaver wheel and tire, but am unsure of the part number.

Does your spacesaver wheel have a part number on the wheel that you can confirm?

Also, what was the cost for the spacer from Lenny in Nevada?

I have been advised the part number is:

C2P12621

Any help is greatly appreciated. I need to make sure item is correct and before having it shipped from UK to USA.

Bought the following today:

JAGUAR NEW 19" XFR XJR XKR XKRS SPACESAVER SPARE WHEEL 135 70 19 XF XJ XK
19" SUITABLE FOR THE "R" VERSIONS

Cost: $325.00 for Wheel, Pirelli Tire mounted and shipping from UK, NEW vs the local Jaguar dealer at $784.27

Jaguar Part number is: C2P12621, and fits numerous Jaguar cars and years. This is the 19" version.

The spacer that is mentioned by Stuart S .....cost is $50.00 delivered to the house from manufactuer located in Sparks, NV.

Overall a great bargain, for the 2009 Jaguar XKR Portfolio Edition and you have a spare tire. Sure beats the Fix-A-Flat goop in a can.

A BIG "thanks" to Stuart S for the all the information provided in his posts above.

In addition to the spare wheel and tire that was bought above, I also found the spare tire tool kit packed in the foam that inserts into the spare tire. Now have the complete wheel, tire, spacer and tool kit for under $450...vs dealer prices of nearly $990.00

UPDATE on Spare Wheel & Tire for 2009 Jaguar XKR Portfolio Edition.....

For those 2009 Portfolio Edition XKR owners who have a inflatable system for flat tires, you may want to consider a real spare wheel and tire instead of the inflat a tire repair kit.

I bought this tire on eBay from a UK seller with 100% feedback. The wheel is stamped on the inside JAGUAR. I paid for the wheel and tire on a Wednesday via PayPal and received it in the USA from the UK on the following Monday, great service from FedEx.

Good news is, I tried the wheel and tire on my 09 XKR Portfolio today and it fit perfect. I have taken Stuart S's advice and ordered the wheel spacer from Lenny in Nevada for $25.00.

After reading Stuart S's posts above I called dealers, and ultimately bought the wheel and tire on eBay...here's the link, the seller has a few left.

JAGUAR NEW 19" XFR XJR XKR XKRS SPACESAVER SPARE WHEEL 135 70 19 XF XJ XK | eBay

I now have the security of knowing I don't have to deal the inflator kit and can, and if I get a flat tire, or a real blow out that the inflator kit won't fix, I have a real wheel and Pirelli mounted tire. I will keep the inflator system as a back up in the trunk. BTW, this wheel and tire stores perfectly in the lower trunk compartment.

This was my recent email to the seller in the UK...."I own the 2009 Jaguar XKR Portfolio Edition which is a "limited addition" Jaguar XKR of 200 cars to the USA, about 90 to Austrailia. This wheel does fit the Jag with the Alcon Brakes and red calipers (6 Piston) which I have. Fits the front perfectly, the rear requires a spacer, hubcentric, thickness 7mm, bolt pattern 5x108mm, hub diameter 63.4. I am having the spacer custom made for $25.00 here in USA from a company in Nevada who specializes in making the wheel spacers. So these wheels WILL work on the 2009 Jag XKR Portfolio Edition. I just pulled the regular 20" wheel off and placed your wheel on the car with NO PROBLEMS. Your wheel is a 5x108mm Bolt pattern, with Hub diameter of 63.4...hope this info helps you sell the rest of the wheels. I am going to post this info on the Jaguar Forums website which covers the USA, Europe, Canada and Austrailia".

So if your looking for a real spare wheel with tire mounted, here's your opportunity without having to research and search for a wheel. All the work has been completed for you. A big thanks to Stuart S. who originally started this thread some time ago.

Can you share where you bought it?

Thanks

Another question, I assume tool kits are different between 19'' and 18'' wheel, right? Since they have to fit inside the spare. Is this correct?

Here's the link.....sellers name is Richard:

Jaguar New 19" XFR XJR XKR XKRS Spacesaver Spare Wheel 135 70 19 XF XJ XK | eBay

Blue XKR-S,

The above applies to 4.2L XKRs with optional Alcon brakes (2008-2009). I presume your 2012 XKR-S has the same Alcon brakes. But I'm not sure if the black compact spare will work on your car because Jaguar changed wheel offsets starting with 2010 models.

I suggest that you do what I did when I was trying to find a spare. I went to my Jaguar dealer (armed with a case of Bass Ale) and asked my service advisor, who I knew for some time, if he had a black spare and could see if it would fit my car. His parts department didn't have one in stock, but he was nice enough to take one out of the trunk of the XJSuperSport on the showroom floor. Although it fit the front perfectly, it didn't clear the rear caliper. I didn't expect that, since the 6-piston front caliper is larger than the 4-piston rear. But the rear caliper extends further outward from the hub than the front caliper, and made contact with the rim. I needed an additional 7mm of clearance for the black spare to clear the rear caliper. That's the reason for the custom made spacer.

I'm not sure if the styrofoam tool kit liner is the same for both 18" and 19" spare wheels. The best way to find out is to ask the parts guy to pull up the part numbers on his computer and see if they're the same or different.

Good luck, and let us know when you get a spare.

Stuart

Just got a response from the parts department. They still list
19" spare wheel- C2P12621as the right number for 2012 XKR-S spare. I'll try it and report back

Blue XKR-S:

The part number that you mention is the same wheel & tire that I bought on eBay.com. The wheel is even stamped Jaguar inside, and tire is a Pirelli.

JAGUAR NEW 19" XFR XJR XKR XKRS SPACESAVER SPARE WHEEL 135 70 19 XF XJ XK | eBay

You will need to contact Lenny Jr (Motorsport Technology @ 775-351-1000 or send him an email motorsportjr@gmail.com) for the spacer as mentioned in the post above. The cost for the spacer is $35.00 and $15.00 to ship. Lenny is familiar with the dimensions of the spacer that you need. Delivery for the spacer takes about 2 to 3 weeks. It has to be machined from an aluminum block into the final product. It's a high quality machined item.

You will have to however, try to find the jack kit. The only item I really needed for the jack kit was the jack itself and the lever to jack it up. I carry a 4 way lug wrench in the car, on top of the spare wheel with no problems. I found my foam jack kit as seen in above post on eBay also for about $75.00 with free shipping. For the wheel, tire, jack kit at the dealer you're looking at over $1000 bucks. My cost was about $450.00. It does provide a since of security to the car owner, just in case of a good slit or blow out on the tire.

Stuart S who originally made a big effort on his XKR to find the source and provided much information, made it an easy search for me to have a spare wheel and tire. One of the major pluses about the Jaguar Forum here is helping other Jaguar members. Thanks Stuart S once again.

BTW: The wheel, tire and foam jack kit fits nicely in the trunk compartment and the luggage/base door secures nicely over the tire in the trunk. It all looks original.

Richard,

Good summary and thanks for the acknowledgment.

I'd like to add that the black compact spare fits so tightly in the trunk well that you don't need the hold-down bolt to secure it. But there's no room to spare (pun intended) to get that spare into the well. You must first remove the molded carpet liner in the spare wheel well that was OE on the Portfolio with optional Alcon brakes. Otherwise, it won't fit.

I suspect, but am not sure, that other XK models equipped with a spare wheel did not use that molded carpet liner and the spare wheel well was just painted.

Stuart

My XKR did not have the carpeted spare tire area. Mine was painted and the wheel fit right in. I think however the carpeted wheel well would be a nice touch. I do have the Alcon brakes and calipers. I wonder if I could find the carpeted pre-molded wheel well carpet.

Hmmm...I wonder what happened to it? Could your W. Palm dealer forget to put it back after they detailed your car prior to sale? No reason for the prior owner to keep it.

But why do you want one now that you have a spare? You can't have it both ways; it's one or the other - either the spare and no carpet or the carpet and no spare. I'll take the spare every day.

Agreed....I have no problem leaving the wheel well naked. However, once you mentioned your carpeted wheel well in your post, it aroused my interest.

You have to be careful about curiosity...you know what it did to the cat!

As of this past week, we have now had about 4 flats (not in the jag) in the last 8 years or so. None of which would have been even temporarily fixable with a foam spray. This last one blew a 1 cm hole in the brand new tread that left my wife stranded on the interstate between an on-ramp and a 60 mph zone. Thank goodness for AAA and a real spare tire.

Lug Nut Torque Spec - 92 lb.ft.
 

FYI - the 2009 XK/XKR Owner's Manual states that lug nuts should be torqued to 92 lb.ft.

Harbor Freight often has a click-type torque wrench on coupon for only $9.95 - a bargain!

I forgot to mention. On my XKR-S I do not need a spacer in the back. The spare fits just fine. So, if you have XKR-S and 19'' spare, no spacer is required.

Let us know!!

If it fit on 2012 XKR-S, I'll order (or try to find) one.
Guy

yes, it's the part. I got mine from Ebay.

2008 XKR Portfolio
 

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I have ordered the spare and need to order the spacer but thought this might work since I can't find the tool tray and jack.

Don't waste your money - it won't fit on top of the spare with the lid closed. Don't give up looking for the correct foam tray and tools, particularly the jack - it's designed to fit the indent in the chassis. Best place to search is ebay UK. I think the address is ebay.co.UK. Replied from my cellphone so I'm unable to check while writing this.

I'm fairly certain that Alcon brakes were not a factory option on any of the 5L XK/XKR models. The spacer is needed only with Alcon brakes.

2008 XKR Portfolio
 

Thanks Stuart,
On the 08 Portfolio the Alcon brakes were standard. My thought was I could slide it under the top when traveling but I agree wait and do it right. I did check ebay UK.
Jim

Jim:

There are 2 spare tire tool kits on eBay USA.......here's the links.

I would be certain that the $49.99 tool kit would work. There is no indent for the jack, but rather a plate that is mounted to the chassis and the jack goes up against the plate to raise the car. Thus any scissors jack will work. Just look under the edge in front of the rear tire and you will see the plate, its about 3" to 4" square.

I also carry a 12v small compressor that plugs into the cigarette lighter and tire plugs as an emergency backup, that I keep in the trunk a small bag/case.

Otherwise there is an OEM XK tool kit, BUT its $200.

Since you have the Alcon brakes....order your spacer from:

https://www.motorsport-tech.com/wheel_spacers.html

You need a 5 x 108mm bolt pattern....63.3mm Centerbore......7mm wide.....hubcentric spacer.

Ask for Lenny Jr.....cost is about $30.00 + shipping UPS.

Here's the links to USA eBay....no need to have anything sent from overseas and the UK.

Jaguar XK XK8 XKR XJ8 XJ8 L Spare Tire Change Tools Jack Kit Lug Nut Used | eBay

Jaguar XK Spare Tire Tools Jack Lug Wrench 07 Present | eBay

The lug wrench needs to be 19mm or 3/4 to fit the Jaguar OEM lug nuts. The jack is standard.

I have the 19mm single lug nut wrench which was included in the kit I bought on eBay, but I also bought a 4 way lug nut tool for $8.99 at a Harbor Freight store as a spare.

20" Four-Way Lug Wrench

Hope this helps.....all links provided for you.

The $49.99 tool set from eBay should work.

Did you get the spare tire yet?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jaguar-Red-1...78d655&vxp=mtr

2008 XKR Portfolio
 

this helps.....all links provided for you.

The $49.99 tool set from eBay should work.

Did you get the spare tire yet?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jaguar-Red-1...78d655&vxp=mtr __________________
Richard Z


Rich this is the red spare I thought the black one was the only one that worked.
Jim

Jim, if your car has 19" OEM rims than the 18" spare should l work, if your car has the 20" OEM rims than I would suggest the 19" spare.

The bolt pattern should be 5 x 108mm and a centerbore of 63.3mm.

According to the ad the spare will fit the 2007-13 XK models.

However from your posts I assume you already secured the spare tire.

20008XKR Portfolio
 

The 08 Portfolio came standard with the 20-inch "Cremona" wheels. I just had all 4 refinished so I am going to stick with them. I like the way the Alcon brakes show through on your new wheels. I am still bidding on a 19" spare. I did get the tool and tray set. Lenny is sending the spacer.
Thanks again.

Jim

Yes, you will need the 19" spare.