Doug,
You say that “It seems to me that you are taking the "A REAL XJS has a V12" remarks as a personal insult and want a special place where nobody will disagree with you” Isn't that comment quite subjective and going a little bit too far, when all I actually did was to place an open question to E-Type owners about the subject, to which they clearly responded with their disagreement to such V12 XJS owners statements? It is actually you who dropped in here placing negative comments about the straight six engines while actually speaking better about your V12, is that in a world upside down?

And then you say that “If anyone is making an effort to criticize a particular Jaguar *engine*, it's you”, again, I came here to ask a legitimate question and not specifically to criticize any engine; I only made some comments agreeing with their responses only after the fellow E-Type members had responded to my initial inquiry and made their feelings about the V12 reputation quite clear. But now, here we are, trading XJS punches while inside our E-Type neighbors’ home, how disrespectful.

Doug, I’ve always held you in high regard, but unfortunately, this thread changed colors only when you dropped in in what I hear as a usual V12 XJS owner tone (whether you presently own such a car, or not) and, as such, I’d rather exchange comments here only with the people that I first addressed when I started this thread, otherwise, this is pointless, or not pleasant to anybody. This little scuffle will probably surface again sometime in the future of the XJS forum, where it will, at least, be home...

Cheers,

 

Yes, that's why I began with "It seems to me...." !

If you go over my postings in thread I think you see that, at the heart of things, I was trying to offer an explanation for the sentiment that is upsetting to you and which I believe you are misinterpreting.

Some things were said in this thread that I think are incorrect, and stated as much.

My apologies to you for chiming in. I'll bow out and comment no more in this thread, as you request.

Cheers
DD

 

Doug, I don't think you have stepped out of line here in the least, and would suggest that anyone having contributed so much to this forum, is entitled to express an opinion on any subject raised.

Being another long term Jagist (forty-nine years), and a "retired" independent specialist, I have to disagree with you on the following:

"In a sense, being a V12 fan is just the same as being a Jaguar fan...but taken a bit further. Even the Jags with the best reputation are not care-free cars intended for a pragmatic person. I've never met a Jag enthusiast who expected a drive-it-and-forget-it ownership experience; they've all been willing to accept that Jags require more TLC than ordinary cars."

With a few exceptions (2.8 litre XK, 2.9 litre AJ6, and the rattly, unreliable diesels, none of which I believe were sold in the USA), I can't think of any Jaguars which, provided the maintenance schedules were adhered to, have proved any more troublesome than other vehicles of their era; in fact, looking back to Jaguar's darkest days of the mid 1970' to mid 1980's, when I abandoned them as personal transport in favour of a short succession of BMWs and Mercedes-Benz, I very quickly discovered that although the German's marketing hype was superior to that of Jaguar, their products most certainly were not. In Britain they rusted just as ferociously, they were slower, more thirsty, (much) more expensive to maintain, didn't ride or handle as well, were less well appointed in standard trim, and most importantly, were much less likely to complete a journey under their own power.
Even old Jags from the 1950s can be used as reliable daily drivers today, having no problems keeping pace with modern traffic; something which cannot be said for any other marque which springs to mind.

 

This is true, and comes from William Lyons decision in the late 40s to produce a car with a 100 mph cruising capability - the Mark VII. All Jaguars after that were intended to be 100 mph cars, but until disc brakes came along on the cars in 1959, it was a brave man who used the capability on British roads at least, due to brake fade. The only car that could not get past 100 mph was the 2.4 litre Mark 1 and 2. Towards the end of Mark 2 production the car became the 240 and finally got twin SUs and could achieve 104-5. I drove my Mark 2 2.4 in normal traffic and never had any problems at all.