Not about Jaguar!!
About EVs.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...sey-data-shows

 

I'm not surprised by that report. Just an hour ago I took my neighbor for a spin in Cat (the F). They've got 2 Hoover's, er, forgive me, EV's... as we were backing out the driveway he looked at me and said "You realize you're forcing me to buy a new car, right ?"... He's a "reformed petrol-head", but said he just can't get used to driving the EV's because of the lack of a "proper" sound. The jerk that I am, I told him to make car noises while driving, just like we did when we were kids playing with our Matchbox/Hot Wheels cars He added that the fact that his available range drops so severely during our winters, is something else that has him and his wife thinking about moving back to dinosaur-juice powered cars.

 

Laughed so hard I nearly peed my pants. Finally found a bigger AH than myself !!!!!

LOVE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!

BEST !

RWS

 

Well, with the current direction of Jaguar it sorta is about Jaguar ;-)

I truly do think the shine is off the idea of EVs. Getting the critical mass to switch is gonna be hard unless it is forced. It will be forced in the end, which is a bit sad. If I truly believed it was the clear saviour of the environment I would be more open to them. There is enough info out there saying they are not, that’s the problem. So spending a bunch more money to get inconvenience and a problem not being solved does not sound appealing to me.

 

The board of directors at Jag made the horrific mistake of putting all the eggs into the EV basket, with no smooth transition.

No Greta, the sky isn't falling.

A better choice would have been to put a toe in that water, rather than to jump all in.

Had I been on that board, I would have pushed for better quality, backed up with a groundbreaking biggest, baddest long term warranty in the industry.

All the money they have spent on EV R&D has been effectively FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET.

Not good for a car company of this size.

Well, we can always remember the good ole days, right?

BEST !

RWS

 

Fair or not, the major reason I felt OK buying a jag was the 5 year warranty and service.
There are plenty of reasons on this forum to not buy.
Without the design and engine appeal of the F-Type, JLR is just another also ran and still has a less than stellar quality reputation.
Very hard to see how that translates into a successful high end EV company with few service dealers.

 

A little more on the study from Automotive News (behind a pay wall, or I would have posted a link for the full article)...

"Twenty-nine percent of EV owners across the globe said
they're likely to reverse course. That hit 46 percent in the U.S.
Consumers globally said their top concern was the
inadequacy of the public charging infrastructure. They also
cited concerns with high costs of ownership and detrimental
impact to long-distance trips.
The consumer sentiments may go hand in hand with the slow
rollout of a U.S.-backed charging network. Only eight stations
are operational following the creation of the National Electric
Vehicle Infrastructure program two years ago.
Only 23 states have started doling out financing from the $5
billion federal program, according to EVAdoption data through
the end of May.
40% of U.S. EV owners want to return to combustion engine cars
Among existing stations, both public and private stations can
be hard to find. Gas station options are displayed on road
signage near interstate exits, while EV chargers remain far
from public view.
"Part of availability is visibility," he said. "You can't keep
chargers hidden behind a Walmart."
The U.S. is not alone. Only 9 percent of global respondents
felt the public-charging build-out was sufficient for their needs.
But it's a problem bound to grow in importance because "the
next generation of EV buyers will rely on public charging
much more than the current one," Kampshoff said.
Among other charging-related findings, McKinsey found:
Twenty-one percent of global respondents do not want
to ever switch to an EV. Among those, 33 percent cited
charging concerns.
As part of its biennial survey, McKinsey asked approximately
200 questions to more than 30,000 consumers in 15
countries, which collectively comprise more than 80 percent
of global sales volume. McKinsey issued its findings on June
12.
Overall, consumers are slightly more willing to consider
electrified vehicles than they were two years ago. Thirty-eight
percent of non-EV owners say they anticipate that a plug-in
hybrid or full battery electric will be their next vehicle. That’s
up from 37 percent in 2022.
Varied consumer preferences for EVs, plug-ins and
combustion powertrains, combined with a variety of changing
regulations globally, make planning a complicated process
across the auto industry and its supply chain.
"OEMs and suppliers now have to invest in multiple
technologies," said Kevin Laczkowski, global co-lead of
McKinsey's automotive and assembly practice. "This is the
ultimate uncertainty right now, like almost never before."
Charging concerns are exacerbated by range-related
expectations. Consumers' minimum range expectations
have grown to 291.4 miles today from 270 miles in
2022. The range of in-market products has not grown as
quickly, McKinsey said.

 

The elephant in the room is the increasing risk of battery fires as they age, and the inability to contain such fires. These concerns are usually met wth "more ICEVs catch fire than EVs", conveniently missing the fact that a lot of ICEV fires are of old, poorly maintained vehicles (I'm discounting Ferraris here!) and the majority of EVs are new. Also, an EV battery burns at a much higher temperature than a gasoline fire and can't be put out by starving it of oxygen since the chemistry generates its own so has to be left to burn itself out. If that happens in an underground car park you really don't want to be in the vicinity, and especially not down-wind so you can avoid inhaling the toxic fumes.

Interesting video ....

 

I think it's all about use case. EVs are superior when it comes to a daily commute *IF* you can charge at home reliably. Upkeep is significantly easier and cheaper longterm, and while winter range drain is VERY real, if it's just an A-to-B car that can be charged every night then that's not a big deal. You don't have to worry about filling up at the gas station every week (or more), no oil changes, physical brakes are hardly used so a typical iron rotor setup can last well past 100k miles, and there's no real maintenance costs other than tires, not to mention home charging is significantly cheaper than gas - unleaded or premium. However for road trips and fun drives, EVs definitely aren't it. I had a Taycan and enjoyed it as a daily for sure, but as a one car solution I needed something with more involvement. My better half said my 2-car solution had to go, and I tried having the Taycan as a fun weekend car. While dynamically it was insanely good as all Porsches are, I needed a malleable transmission to engage with and a dynamic engine to involve me in the driving experience. That being said, once I'm in a position to have a 2-car solution again, my commute car will undoubtedly be an EV, provided my at-home charging is still an option. Relying on public charging was just a nightmare that I don't care to relive.

 

An EV isn't the ideal vehicle for everybody, and the federal/state incentives & "hype" probably pushed many folks into buying EV's who weren't fully aware of the downsides (public charging is not a better experience than refueling today, and EVs depreciate a lot harder than economy cars.)

I think folks are starting to become more familiar with these truths.

 

I dont have anything against EVs though they arent for me, I would have one before a diesel although that is like saying I'd rather be shot than stabbed to death. But I was told that the insurance cost for a tesla (I'm assuming a model 3) is about $4,000 per annum here due to the repair costs. Now the equivalently priced Jag XE is about $2,000 per annum although other factors might have come into the insurance price. But $2K would buy a lot of juice.

 

I'm pro EV but I think the quick push to them created FOMO of better looking and sounding ICE vehicles. Plus other EV issues sadly.