Front of car squashed
#41
That's a heart-breaker of an image, but from what I've heard (no solid information on my part) the front is designed to be repairable. I think everything forward of the front axle line is bolt-on rather than riveted and bonded. If someone knows differently, I'm sure they'll correct me.
That's not to say it'll be cheap, but that it's not actually structural. I think there are only two shops in the Bay Area certified by JLR to do repairs on the all-aluminum cars, but I've only dealt with the one in the East Bay. Their work was exemplary, by the way.
That's not to say it'll be cheap, but that it's not actually structural. I think there are only two shops in the Bay Area certified by JLR to do repairs on the all-aluminum cars, but I've only dealt with the one in the East Bay. Their work was exemplary, by the way.
#42
As a former founding partner in an automated parking structure bulding company, the bump stops or whatever physical barrier is placed in front of the car is a secondary precaution to the myriad of sensors and cameras that will prevent the system from functioning if the car is not within the range it needs to be. We built the first apartment based system in California about 7 years ago, and the only damage incident of which I'm aware was to a passenger door that was left slightly ajar and swung open when the turntable platform spun around, the door fully opened and was damaged on the way down to the lower level. And we had a questionaire that you had to answer before you left the garage and before the system would engage. One of the questions was whether you had checked to make sure all of your doors were closed.
#43
As a former founding partner in an automated parking structure bulding company, the bump stops or whatever physical barrier is placed in front of the car is a secondary precaution to the myriad of sensors and cameras that will prevent the system from functioning if the car is not within the range it needs to be. We built the first apartment based system in California about 7 years ago, and the only damage incident of which I'm aware was to a passenger door that was left slightly ajar and swung open when the turntable platform spun around, the door fully opened and was damaged on the way down to the lower level. And we had a questionaire that you had to answer before you left the garage and before the system would engage. One of the questions was whether you had checked to make sure all of your doors were closed.
#44
Update:
Car is with the Jaguar body shop. They haven't taken the bumper off yet, they are waiting for the insurance appraiser, but he said he has worked on 3 F-Types with major front-end damage and it is very unlikely looking from the outside that the frame was touched, but he won't know 100% until he takes a look. His guess is that only bolt on parts are damaged (~$15k worth of damages). He expects the repairs to take 1-2 months, and 3 months if a part is back ordered.
After he is completed with the work. I will then have to get the car color-corrected to perfection. Then re-apply my clear bra, and reapply the wrap (i.e. stripes), and then reapply the ceramic. That could add another 2-3 weeks.
Car is with the Jaguar body shop. They haven't taken the bumper off yet, they are waiting for the insurance appraiser, but he said he has worked on 3 F-Types with major front-end damage and it is very unlikely looking from the outside that the frame was touched, but he won't know 100% until he takes a look. His guess is that only bolt on parts are damaged (~$15k worth of damages). He expects the repairs to take 1-2 months, and 3 months if a part is back ordered.
After he is completed with the work. I will then have to get the car color-corrected to perfection. Then re-apply my clear bra, and reapply the wrap (i.e. stripes), and then reapply the ceramic. That could add another 2-3 weeks.
Last edited by zmoothg; 01-18-2018 at 11:19 PM.
#45
#46
Ugh! Good luck to you. It seems that this is one of those reasons for comprehensive insurance and then you let them hassle with the rest. Of course your rates will go up and, in my experience, the only way to avoid that is to out-of-pocket while fighting the battle with the apartment company and their lawyers. I suspect that would be a longer and more expensive fight than just using your own insurance and suffering the rate increase for a few years.
Larry
Larry
#48
A 2008 (ie a decade ago) engineering risk assessment of a Klaus Parking system (probably not the same exact one, but the 'feature' causing this accident may be the same):
https://www.cityofsanmateo.org/Docum...Home/View/3205
Page 7, item 2: concludes that this type of accident is 'reasonably probable' to occur, resulting in 'moderate' property damage. 'Reasonably probable' is defined as occurring on an annual basis. Cause given as 'operator error' or 'insufficient training' wrt placement of the car relative to the 'stops', or positioning of the stops themselves.
FWIW....
https://www.cityofsanmateo.org/Docum...Home/View/3205
Page 7, item 2: concludes that this type of accident is 'reasonably probable' to occur, resulting in 'moderate' property damage. 'Reasonably probable' is defined as occurring on an annual basis. Cause given as 'operator error' or 'insufficient training' wrt placement of the car relative to the 'stops', or positioning of the stops themselves.
FWIW....
#49
Ugh! Good luck to you. It seems that this is one of those reasons for comprehensive insurance and then you let them hassle with the rest. Of course your rates will go up and, in my experience, the only way to avoid that is to out-of-pocket while fighting the battle with the apartment company and their lawyers. I suspect that would be a longer and more expensive fight than just using your own insurance and suffering the rate increase for a few years.
Larry
Larry
#50
Here in NC I have talked to 3 different insurance companies about this issue and they all said that if you make a collision claim your rates will increase at the next renewal. Didn't matter how long you had been a customer, how long since the previous claim. I cannot speak to comprehensive. I asked the question as I had an issue, trying to decide whether to pay out-of-pocket or insurance.
Larry
Larry
#51
Here in NC I have talked to 3 different insurance companies about this issue and they all said that if you make a collision claim your rates will increase at the next renewal. Didn't matter how long you had been a customer, how long since the previous claim. I cannot speak to comprehensive. I asked the question as I had an issue, trying to decide whether to pay out-of-pocket or insurance.
Larry
Larry
#52
#53
oh..It didn’t occur to me that he might’ve parked it himself on that contraption. I wouldn’t think you’d let the general public anywhere close to operating equipment like that. Many people are challenged trying to operate a simple garage door.
#55
I really can't believe it doesn't (apparently) have any sensors or safety lockout to prevent such an obvious accident from occurring. The engineering report (in my above post) mentioned a car's rear bumper being ripped off in a similar manner, so apparently it doesn't have sensors in the rear either (i.e. when a car failed to pull all the way in).
#56
I really can't believe it doesn't (apparently) have any sensors or safety lockout to prevent such an obvious accident from occurring. The engineering report (in my above post) mentioned a car's rear bumper being ripped off in a similar manner, so apparently it doesn't have sensors in the rear either (i.e. when a car failed to pull all the way in).
#57
#58
#59
I was originally thinking that this was done by a parking attendant. I did not realize this sort of facility was self operated. Of course, none of us would ever purposefully do something like this to their own F-Type.
#60
This was an unfortunate accident and it's sad seeing my car in this condition. Breaks my heart. I do wish I was properly informed of the consequences of having the car reside outside of the parking box. It was an honest mistake and one I think anyone could make, especially with such a shallow bump-stop. I obviously had no idea I went over it. This accident occurred at ~2pm, I was definitely not impaired as assumed by the President of Klaus. I was running a midday errand before parking it and meeting a client.
I knew the machine had sensors in the rear but I had no idea it did not have sensors in the front. I was under the assumption the machine would protect itself from an accident like this. Anyways I'm here, carless and waiting to see how things shake out with insurance. If fault is pointed at me I will likely be forced to litigate. I did not sign any waivers in regards to the garage use, I was not adequately educated to the risk associated with parking in the system, and I believe this is a very dangerous design flaw to not have sensors. It's life **** happens.
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