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I just came across this thread, but wanted to add for future search results for the same. I too had the worst time trying to get the belt on. I swear by this point, I was so tired, my patience was probably shot. Ultimately (as Rock88 said earlier) that worked for me, the super charger pulley itself was the last pulley we put the belt on. I was under the car with the tensioner maxed out and a friend pulled the belt over. There was NO way otherwise I could have gotten it on. I did not swap the pulley's.
Glad you got it! I did the same process by myself...What fun!
Having the tensioner at max, is not hurting anything either(MAX=MAX, not over maxed) …The belt doesn't get tighter over time...it will stretch. Mine is still working BEA-utifully
I don't get it. Why after so much effort didn't you just swap pulleys?
Now your tensioner is maxed out = it doesn't work as designed...
I think the tensioner is "minned" out, not maxed. It should have plenty of travel to keep the belt tensioned. I'm glad I had no such trouble with my V6, but I also had the silver, not black stock pulley.
I think I got lucky as I got a hutchison belt made in France from VelocityAP just before they made the swtich over to a new supplier. My understanding is that there wasn't enough volume for them to continue to do business with VelocityAP. The new belts are ceraintly less (rubbery/flexible) than the hutchison. It was even a tight fit with the hutchison but managable with an extra set of hands up top to get it over the super charger pulley while I was under neath the car holding the tensioner and routing. I'm glad you got it sorted. VelocityAP and Chris/team there are Effin Awesome!
I know that doesn't mean/change anything, but I am 100% sure I saw somewhere on my shipping documents note that one of items (pulley or belt) has EU origin.
I just found this after having all the same issues, Pulley Clearance and belt not fitting. I have the 1461 Belt not the 1470. We can not get the 1461 on at all. BUT we did get the Factory Belt on but as people say the tensioner is Maxed(Compressed). BUT the belt rubs the tensioner Pivot... Did anyone have this issue? Did pulley swap fix the issue?
The pully swap will allow you to install the VAP belt. I can’t explain the science, but it worked for my 2017 R. I could not believe the change swapping out the pulleys made. It was easy to the point that I felt something had to be wrong. I was alone so it may help to have the pully pulled all the way back and held with a zip tie. The last pully to place the belt on was the one right below the supercharger. I had the pully off matched the belt into the grooves and lined it up to the bolt hole and simply ran the bolt.Try the swap and let me know if you have any other questions.
It was the same with my R AWD MY 2017. 1461 Belt is just too short I think. The whole thing is endlessly exciting. It was better with the new Belt 1470, not OEM but better. I think my tensioner is at around 80% before the end, yours up to the stop. And that is only the problem I think.
I am sure it will work as it did for me and my belt was way off. It was to the point that I called Chris from Velocity and he was the one that said for some reason this method had to be used on various cars of the same year. I have found that patience is a big necessity on the Jaguar along with taking breaks and coming back to an issue. The belt has to be extremely tight once fitted to reduce slip. Take care
Well that was easy... would of been nice to have some documentation on these unknown "known" issues. 45 minutes and we have the OEM(1470) Belt on. Never could get the supplied 1461 belt on for the life of us, Tensioner is still Maxed(compressed) but the larger idler allows the belt to clear the tensioner pivot arm.
All Smiles afterwards but the pops and bangs are soo silly, Might need to have it removed, just non stop pops. Still giggles the whole time but that will get old soon. Curious if they can have tunes activate on select buttons or something like the other car brands.
Well that was easy... would of been nice to have some documentation on these unknown "known" issues. 45 minutes and we have the OEM(1470) Belt on. Never could get the supplied 1461 belt on for the life of us, Tensioner is still Maxed(compressed) but the larger idler allows the belt to clear the tensioner pivot arm.
All Smiles afterwards but the pops and bangs are soo silly, Might need to have it removed, just non stop pops. Still giggles the whole time but that will get old soon. Curious if they can have tunes activate on select buttons or something like the other car brands.
Thanks for confirming the idle pulley swap.
If you have already paid VAP for a tune they will happily supply you with a new "reduced pops and bangs" tune for no extra charge.
Big Stickers,
No problem and glad it worked out. I didn't add the pops and bangs because with the Velocity Exhaust and 200 cell cats the things is so loud as is. If you send your file, they can remove the pops and bangs if needed. I was worried about the neighbors as when i drive it to work on early mornings the garage magnafies start up to the point that i would not be surprised to have someone come over and complain Be safe
Philip
Pab74,
Yea with the VAP exhaust it is quite loud, I had to follow a buddy to the tuner to give him a ride back and I could hear the pops over the phone and he was two cars ahead on the highway. Its crazy loud and never stops unlike the factory version you could control, this is all the time. Kinda fun but not in the long term. We are doing Meth Injection so I will get that installed and have them mod the tune and reduce the pops. If it wasn't bad before only getting one season on a set of tires(Winter and Summer) it's going to be a lot worse now.
Definitely want to thank the folks out at VAP. After multiple calls yesterday I was finally able to get the belt on YAY!! Had to add a few extra steps but the belt is on and the car is running strong. Chris @VelocityAP_Chris is awesome! I had to swap two idler pulleys, but this made all the difference in the world. It gave me additional clearance between one of the idler pulleys and the much larger crank pulley.
see picture below. I left the top idler pulley to the end. Success!! Also thank you forum members for chiming in and offering guidance.
what model year is your SVR? Chris said that if I have a 1/2 drive tensioner (ribbed) that I might need to source an older model idler pulley instead of a straight-up swap. Otherwise, there could be belt squeal.
Update: I was able to get the new belt (1470, VAP’s longest) to fit without swapping the idlers. I have a 2017 F-Type R with the black crank pulley and 1/2 drive ribbed tensioner…some folks with this set up have had to swap. Luckily, the belt fit after trying various approaches. With the tensioner fully open and tie wrapped to the metal cross member in front of the rad, we tried putting the belt onto the tensioner last per Chris’ recommendation. However, this angle was tough for leverage. We ultimately put it 50% onto the SC pulley second to last, then the top idler last. That angle allows you to pull the belt up with good leverage from the passenger side. Once we got the first rib onto the top idler it was down hill, using some flathead screw drivers wrapped in electrical tape to shimmy it on rib-by-rib. To get the leverage on the passenger side, we also took off the intake piping (screw can be accessed from next to headlight). Tune took well without any check engine light or fob issues. I did ask for the start/stop to be disabled and it was, however, the light still seems to stay illuminated. The best part…the test drive! You definitely need it in TracDSC or fully off otherwise the computer keeps cutting power. But with AWD, it plants and pulls like crazy. Thanks to TheRock88, SuperSportMTL, Stolhen, and all others on the forum who helped with the guidance - you guys are awesome!
...I did ask for the start/stop to be disabled and it was, however the light still seems to stay illuminated....
Yes, the same on my Car, but the Start Stop is disabled, The light means nothing!
Can you tell us, how much way the tensioner still has to the end?10%, or no way at all, is it at the end?
I have the same setup, MY 2017 and I think my belt(1470mm) was probably a little easier to install.,
my tensioner has about 20% to the limit. The belt does not touch the tensioner. But I don't know what would
happen if my tensioner were extended to 100%, then it could probably be very tight.
...I did ask for the start/stop to be disabled and it was, however the light still seems to stay illuminated....
Yes, the same on my Car, but the Start Stop is disabled, The light means nothing!
Can you tell us, how much way the tensioner still has to the end?10%, or no way at all, is it at the end?
I have the same setup, MY 2017 and I think my belt(1470mm) was probably a little easier to install.,
my tensioner has about 20% to the limit. The belt does not touch the tensioner. But I don't know what would
happen if my tensioner were extended to 100%, then it could probably be very tight.
Andi
When I cut the tie wrap holding the breaker bar in place the tensioner barely moved. So probably very close to 100%. And the belt is definitely very close to the tensioner but no strange noises or smells indicating that it’s rubbing. I’ve run the car hard a couple times now and no issues - 50 rolls from 3rd used to give ample time to upshift and now I’m hitting redline in a flash. This is a great time of year in DC for Dragy times. I have a large sample of stock times so will be interesting to see the improvement. Stay “tuned”.
When I cut the tie wrap holding the breaker bar in place the tensioner barely moved. So probably very close to 100%. And the belt is definitely very close to the tensioner but no strange noises or smells indicating that it’s rubbing. I’ve run the car hard a couple times now and no issues - 50 rolls from 3rd used to give ample time to upshift and now I’m hitting redline in a flash. This is a great time of year in DC for Dragy times. I have a large sample of stock times so will be interesting to see the improvement. Stay “tuned”.
Nice, good job... I will test with Stage 3 and the smaller upper Pulley my 1470mm belt, I think round about 10mm less is not a problem with slipping. 80 or 70% tensioner, that is not a problem with the new grip upper pulley from VAP, it looks like very nice :-) hope, on this weekend I can test it...
