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The 4-Cylinder is the Correct Car for Us
We just bought one of the 2.0L F-types for my wife. She has always loved the styling but not the computer controlled exhaust shenanigans on the V6 and V8 models. I prefer light cars and the 200lbs less are noticeable. It's .1 seconds quicker to 60 than the V6, so it's quick enough for road use. She shopped it against the Giulia Ti and QV, Audi TT/TT-S, and the Cayman and the F-Type with the 2.0L was the best fit for her wish list. As a competent GT road car it's a great package.
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The weight of the F has been the subject of some previous discussions. I do not believe JLR describes the 3500 pound figure as "kerb weight" but rather as "weight from" which I think means dry weight. When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids you get a number more like 3800 which as I recall is the rough number people reported getting when they actually weigh their cars. Now, I have wondered why the F is as heavy as it is given all the aluminum.
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Motorized seats, mirrors, steering column, spoiler, door handles... Early models have an electric vacuum pump for active exhaust... active dampers... etc etc
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Suaro: “I do not believe JLR describes the 3500 pound figure as ‘kerb weight.’”
Yes, they do. See
http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/...ons/index.html
where the “curb weight” of the I-4 is given as 3,360 pounds.
What’s “curb weight”? Wikipedia: “‘Curb weight’ (American English) or ‘kerb weight’ (British) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, AC refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.” Other sources are in substantial agreement. Here’s Merriam-Webster: “the weight of an automobile with standard equipment and fuel, oil, and coolant.” One “car-guy” site says “with 90% of a full tank.”
Suaro: “When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids…”
Those fluids are already included in the curb weights, i.e. the weights given by Jag. And the weights given by Jag are puzzlingly lower than those given by Walton in his article.
Possible explanation. Walton’s test—very well written, BTW—seems to have been conscientiously conducted. So maybe he actually weighed the car (instead of lazily looking up the weights), then forgot to substract his own weight and—let’s hope, for his sake, given the differences—his passenger’s.
Yes, they do. See
http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/...ons/index.html
where the “curb weight” of the I-4 is given as 3,360 pounds.
What’s “curb weight”? Wikipedia: “‘Curb weight’ (American English) or ‘kerb weight’ (British) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, AC refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.” Other sources are in substantial agreement. Here’s Merriam-Webster: “the weight of an automobile with standard equipment and fuel, oil, and coolant.” One “car-guy” site says “with 90% of a full tank.”
Suaro: “When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids…”
Those fluids are already included in the curb weights, i.e. the weights given by Jag. And the weights given by Jag are puzzlingly lower than those given by Walton in his article.
Possible explanation. Walton’s test—very well written, BTW—seems to have been conscientiously conducted. So maybe he actually weighed the car (instead of lazily looking up the weights), then forgot to substract his own weight and—let’s hope, for his sake, given the differences—his passenger’s.
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Suaro: “I do not believe JLR describes the 3500 pound figure as ‘kerb weight.’”
Yes, they do. See
http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/...ons/index.html
where the “curb weight” of the I-4 is given as 3,360 pounds.
What’s “curb weight”? Wikipedia: “‘Curb weight’ (American English) or ‘kerb weight’ (British) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, AC refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.” Other sources are in substantial agreement. Here’s Merriam-Webster: “the weight of an automobile with standard equipment and fuel, oil, and coolant.” One “car-guy” site says “with 90% of a full tank.”
Suaro: “When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids…”
Those fluids are already included in the curb weights, i.e. the weights given by Jag. And the weights given by Jag are puzzlingly lower than those given by Walton in his article.
Possible explanation. Walton’s test—very well written, BTW—seems to have been conscientiously conducted. So maybe he actually weighed the car (instead of lazily looking up the weights), then forgot to substract his own weight and—let’s hope, for his sake, given the differences—his passenger’s.
Yes, they do. See
http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/...ons/index.html
where the “curb weight” of the I-4 is given as 3,360 pounds.
What’s “curb weight”? Wikipedia: “‘Curb weight’ (American English) or ‘kerb weight’ (British) is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, coolant, AC refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.” Other sources are in substantial agreement. Here’s Merriam-Webster: “the weight of an automobile with standard equipment and fuel, oil, and coolant.” One “car-guy” site says “with 90% of a full tank.”
Suaro: “When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids…”
Those fluids are already included in the curb weights, i.e. the weights given by Jag. And the weights given by Jag are puzzlingly lower than those given by Walton in his article.
Possible explanation. Walton’s test—very well written, BTW—seems to have been conscientiously conducted. So maybe he actually weighed the car (instead of lazily looking up the weights), then forgot to substract his own weight and—let’s hope, for his sake, given the differences—his passenger’s.
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The weight of the F has been the subject of some previous discussions. I do not believe JLR describes the 3500 pound figure as "kerb weight" but rather as "weight from" which I think means dry weight. When you add 18 gals of fuel, 7 qts of oil, and 3 gal of coolant plus some other fluids you get a number more like 3800 which as I recall is the rough number people reported getting when they actually weigh their cars. Now, I have wondered why the F is as heavy as it is given all the aluminum.
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$68,913 as tested...you kidding me?
2018 Jaguar F-Type Coupe Turbo-Four First Test - Motor Trend
2018 Jaguar F-Type Coupe Turbo-Four First Test - Motor Trend
Ftype Base 2.0 4 pot turbo = 296hp, $60K
Ftype Base 3.0 V6 = 340hp, $70K ($10K more = delete 4 pot, add v6 and 44hp)
Ftype 'S' 3.0 V6 = 380hp, $80k ($10K more = add 40hp tune, delete 18" wheels, add 19" wheels, add bigger front brakes and add adj shocks)
Then add in the 8K worth of options 'as tested'.
The 2.0 4 pot just might be the bargain...and you can build a frugal one for less than the 68K tested....
Last edited by mshedden; Feb 20, 2018 at 06:27 AM.
Very few cars are investments (the value almost always goes down), even if you keep them for decades.
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Good point about the Cayman S. I'm SOOOO glad I didn't choose that car (or a 911 or that ugly Alpha Romero) when I was shopping around.
The 6 cylinder won Le Mans and garnered a ton of respect back in the 50s onward. So an F-Type 6 cylinder is perfectly respectable and true to pedigree, in my eyes (along with an 8)... but a 4? Meh.
My point about McQueen is that I think he definitely would have cared about the F-Type, if he were alive today. But, I don't think he would've been keen on a 4.
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The 6 cylinder won Le Mans and garnered a ton of respect back in the 50s onward. So an F-Type 6 cylinder is perfectly respectable and true to pedigree, in my eyes (along with an 8)... but a 4? Meh.
My point about McQueen is that I think he definitely would have cared about the F-Type, if he were alive today. But, I don't think he would've been keen on a 4.
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I’m an F-Type owner and a former Cayman owner. The Cayman is a much better track car, and the motor in it, 4 cyl or not, is fantastic. The F-Type is a nice car, but it’s a sport-touring car. The Cayman is a sports car. Bashing it is pretty ignorant.
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I’m not sure the thread posted by DP helps, but it sure makes clear the confusion. My bet is that the JLR weights are “dry” and that JLR has simply changed the brochures from “weight, from...” to “curb weight, from...”, Jags way of not highlighting the heavier than expected weight of the cars. I believe the scales.
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You must not follow racing much. I’m going to give you a hint....Porsche 919.
I’m an F-Type owner and a former Cayman owner. The Cayman is a much better track car, and the motor in it, 4 cyl or not, is fantastic. The F-Type is a nice car, but it’s a sport-touring car. The Cayman is a sports car. Bashing it is pretty ignorant.
I was alluding to my opinion that the 4 diluted the F-Type brand and frankly, right now F-Types get way more rubber necking on the road than the Cayman or the 911. I live in Hollywood, where Porsches grow on trees.
Try reading more carefully and in context before calling someone "ignorant". It's just a friggin' car, Dude. 😜
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