My ongoing saga trying to get the car lowered with spacers is gonna do me in!
Have a super reputable tuner shop near that can order me the proper H&R springs and 15mm spacers. However, it appears they are unwilling to cut the studs as is required..FML…is it really a huge deal to this? I am not mechanical in the slightest bit and that is the reason I am not attempting to do any of this. But doing my research it seems like most people do this without any significant concern or incident. I am unsure why my local tuner is hesitant?
Anyone have any thoughts?

 

Just find someone else to trim the studs.
It's an easy job.

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Thank you for your response. I have just spoken to the shop and it was my misunderstanding, but what the shop is concerned with is that the rim will not have a sufficient cavity for the depth of the “nut” on the wheel stud once the spacer is put on. The shop actually called H&R and spoke with them and H&R confirmed that there will be some part of the Nutt that will stick out .The shop is more than willing to grind the wheel stud and put on the applied nut but they are concerned that my Tornado rims may not have enough of a cavity at the back for the protruding portion of the spacer nut?
The shop has indicated that I will need at least 6 to 7 mm for the depth of the nut on the back of the rim.
As I am running the 20 inch tornado rims
The shop is also questioning whether or not the bolt pattern is different between the rear rims and the front rims, noting that this is possibly a staggered wheel set up ???
I am out of distinct disadvantage because this is all Greek to me unfortunately, I’m not very mechanic savvy

 

It is staggered (rear wheels are wider than fronts), but same bolt pattern.

 

now all I have to figure out is whether or not the cavity at the back of the rim is sufficiently deep enough to accept any excess space or nut that may be sticking out?

 

That I do not know, but I’d be happy to make something up.

 

Well the whole reason for trimming the studs is because nearly all OEM wheels do not have sufficient cavity. Trimming the studs removes the part that sticks out past the face of the spacer, that would otherwise prevent the wheel from sitting flush.

With 15mm spacers you'll only have to trim a bit off each stud and then you'll be fine.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...4/#post2294882

 

that is exactly my understanding, but the shop has indicated that it is not the stud and sticking out that they’re worried they are stating that the nut provided by H&R that secures the spacer does not sit flesh and will stick out and it is that part that needs to be considered with a cavity at the back of the rim
From all of my research on this site, I have never heard that the Nutt to fasten the sticks out and is not flush or even counter sun?

 

Ah, sorry, I didn't read carefully enough.

​​​​​On my own 15mm spacers the nut does not stick out past the face of the spacer, but mine are not H&R spacers.

Maybe someone with H&R spacers can chime in.

​​​​​​By the way, it would only take about 3 minutes for the shop to check whether or not this is actually an issue on your setup. Pop a wheel off, put the spacer on, see if the wheel fits back on properly.
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Here is the shop’s concern

 

This makes no sense, I cannot believe that the H&R spacer nuts would stick out from the face of the spacer at all, if they do it is a badly defective design.
Every spacer I have ever used (three or four different brands but not H&R) has the spacer nuts sitting in a recess such that they are below the surface of the spacer.
Maybe H&R use different nuts for different spacers and they sent you the wrong ones?

 

I haven’t purchased yet. Shop called H&R to check and that was the information provided. I’m beginning to think this mod for me is cursed😝😝…my only issue now is to get the rims off and have the depth of the cavity measured to see if it meets the 6-7 mm required…such a pain in the *ss

 

Now I getcha!
The shop is worrying about nothing and the nuts will fit perfectly OK without any work on them.
My guess is they have never fitted spacers before so that don't understand how the nuts are recessed.
H&R are a well known and reputable brand and have sold tens maybe hundreds of thousands of this type of wheel spacer so almost zero chance of the nuts sticking out.
Also many members here have fitted H&R spacers and not one has ever said a thing about the nuts sticking out.
Why don't you fit the spacers yourself, it's a very straightforward and simple process just the same as and no more difficult than changing a wheel?
Only one little tip/trick - you need to stop the front wheels from turning while torqueing the nuts up, two ways of doing this:
1. Have a helper sit in the car and apply the brakes
2. If on your own stick a large screwdriver in one of the brake disc vanes such that it jams on the ground and prevents the wheel from turning.
No such problem with rears, just apply the EPB.

 

I’m completely useless no tools
no skill😝😝
wanted to have the shop do it all it once for me
The shop does a huge amount of tuning- mostly Japanese. They have worked with spacers alot but for Japanese vehicle applications
It was the H&R company rep contact that expressly said the nuts will stick out?
For the life of me given the amount of forum members who have done this I cannot fathom that H&R would design a spacer/product that didn’t have the bolts recessed enough but the rep assured the shop that was definitely the case
I wish someone with ‘20 Tornado rims with 15mm spacers would chime in and comment
I really want to get my F lowered!

 

It makes no difference which wheels are fitted as to whether or not the spacer nuts stick out above the surface of the spacers, they either stick out or they don't!
And as I said I have never heard of this problem let alone with H&R spacers.
What matters is the voids (holes) in the backs of the wheels between the stud holes, as the original studs DO stick out above the level of the spacer (with 15 mm spacers), so those voids need to be deep enough for the ends of the studs to fit comfortably without touching. For OEM F-Type 20" wheels only one has deep enough voids and that is the Blade wheel, all the rest including the Tornado wheel have shallow voids and foul the studs, and that is why the studs need to be cut/ground/trimmed down a bit.
Only some 3 or 4 mm needs to be trimmed off and the studs have a "blank" on the end of some 5 or 6 mm so the threads do not need to be touched.
Heaps of threads and posts around here about fitting 15 mm spacers and trimming the studs.

 

Thanks
I have sent the shop some of the forum
opinions
i think I will gamble and order hoping this is just the shop over analyzing 👊

 

I’m looking at the H&R stock photos for the spacers
To my eye the bolts look tapered and look machined to fit into the hole with no overlap

 

3. Create your own "helper" by jamming an appropriately-sized object between the brake pedal and the footwell ceiling, to hold the pedal down.

I've used various things for this in the past: a water bottle, a textbook, a plastic license plate holder, .. just whatever I happen to have in the trunk at the time

 

this is how 15mm H+R spacer look being installed . Studs cutted down 3mm to fit into the pockets of the "Cyclon" wheel.

 

Jeez Louize!!!
That cannot be the correct nuts!
Seems the OP's garage was right.
Rat Fink65 - I reckon you should forget about H&R spacers and go with another brand instead, such as the Teeze ones I have.
Go to AliExpress to find them.

Edit - just thought of something - maybe those nuts in the pic have only been put on loosely and they still need to be torqued up a long way?