+1.

 

Eventually I guess electronics will take over much of the drivers' responsibilities to control the car themselves, and we are currently in that transition period.

I say, get yourself on a track with plenty of runoff with a professional driver and explore the limits of the car's adhesion and the feelings before, during and after it loses traction WITHOUT any driver aids on - That way you will gain useful experience that will stand you in good stead on the roads.

I guess the next thing peeps will need is an F-Type that has 4x4 Landrover running gear to enable them to go round corners with confidence - Oh, I see there may be something out there already

Bang! Goes true sportscars....

 

Another victim. Sad to see.

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Can happen to anyone in any car. I have experienced aquaplaning in a fully loaded landrover with camper trailer behind. Didn't crash but was very scary

Here is Jeremy Clarkson losing control in an aquaplane in a BMW 135i

 

Sometimes lifting off on the throttle can provoke a spin as well,

 

Agree with this.. an abrupt lift will lighten the rear.

I don't have a problem in the rain, but am careful with throttle.
The area I'm really careful with is cruise control.
Not really concerned with a normal to heavy rain, but if the road does not drain well and water pools, then when the car hits the heavier water the cruise control calls for more throttle and its easy to lose it at that point.
Lawrence

 

I've rarely used cruise control on any car, and never on the F-Type. However, I'm pretty obsessive about being fully involved in the driving experience. It probably has a lot to do with being fixated on manual transmission cars for so many years.

The only exception for me is that I always leave DSC on. In the F-Type with the car in Dynamic mode, if it intervenes, that means I've made a mistake, and I haven't done my job well.

 

+1 just water and/or ice does not make a car spin. Sudden changes such as completely letting off the throttle, breaking or steering makes you spin.
We do not drive fast here in the US, these cars can go through standing water at much higher speeds if you know what you are doing otherwise there would be crashes all over Germany. Very low skill driving here in the US.

 

There was a time when cars had a lot of power, less capable tires, drum brakes,
no ABS, no DSC, no TRAC, no GPS, no airbags, no seatbelts.

Somehow the drivers survived to tell the tale.

Maybe they put a little more thought into the mechanics of driving
instead of counting on nanny mode.

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Fixed it for you.

 

Notice the word 'finesse' in the passage you quoted.

This includes not instantly lifting off the throttle if the situation
is wrong for that reaction even if the pucker factor is through
the roof. Lifting off is a natural reaction that sometimes has
to be fought.

With some vehicles, there is a well known saying:

you lift ... you die

Experience counts.

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More accurately, many thousands did not. In 1969 (height of the first muscle car era in the US) there were 26.5 deaths per 100K population. In 2013, that rate was down to 10.4.

You can preach about people needing to "put a little more thought into the mechanics of driving" until you're blue in the face, but most will not. "Nanny mode" has saved thousands.

 

Yes this.

Many thousands of people of all skills levels are Alive today because of electronic aids. Yes it is a good idea to get some driving skills and great if you can learn to drive a car on a track with stud turned off. But nevertheless the drivers aids are important on the road not just for you but for other road users as well.

Those reminiscing about the good old days need to wake up a bit. I don't think you are wrong about the need for learning to drive properly. I do think you are very wrong to disparage the modern safety electronics.