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Old Sep 24, 2023 | 10:23 AM
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Is it possible to use XJ electric window mechanisms to a Mk 2?
 
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Old Sep 24, 2023 | 10:31 AM
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Vicarage used to do it in the 1990's.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2023 | 04:37 PM
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Don't see the point in fitting electric window systems. My window winder is very easy to turn, up or down, and I can even reach the passengers door to wind that window down if required. Lots of work and alterations for very little gain in my opinion.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2023 | 04:57 PM
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What I'd like would be electric operation of the rear quarter lights. Opening them helps ventilation (and heating and demisting) and control from the front seats would be very convenient. It might also be useful for security to be able to lock all the windows shut.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2023 | 05:04 PM
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I don't think you could use it to convert the rear quarter lights on the Mk2 but didn't the Ford Galaxy have electric rear quarter lights. My Brother had one and I am sure the rear quarter lights were electric.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2023 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
What I'd like would be electric operation of the rear quarter lights. Opening them helps ventilation (and heating and demisting) and control from the front seats would be very convenient. It might also be useful for security to be able to lock all the windows shut.
I could see an axle/pivot system in the middle of the rear quarter light _ huge amount of work to do that and is there room in the door for that.

Such an impractical thing to try and do, but anything is possible with time and money.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2023 | 03:21 AM
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Going back to the original question, I'm fairly sure that SNG, David Manners, and Vicarage themselves used to retail the Vicarage kit. I've not seen it recently and haven't been successful in searching for it. As I recall, like most Jaguar upgrade kits, it wasn't exactly inexpensive. There are a number of universal kits on eBay and Amazon that look very good value. Some are mechanically much more straightforward, simply replacing the winding handle.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2023 | 10:33 AM
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www.vicarage-jaguar.com

Miami, Florida.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2023 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
What I'd like would be electric operation of the rear quarter lights.
Peter. That should be relatively easy with modern stepper motors/actuators. You could remove them from a modern Merc that had been written off in an accident. They use dozens of them as do Audi, BMW etc.
 

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Old Sep 25, 2023 | 09:48 PM
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I read somewhere that towards the end of the 420 sale in the USA, dealers were adding power windows using MK X/420G parts.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 02:35 AM
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I suppose in the 1960s electric windows were very modern and everyone wanted them but today so many people get in to my S type (used as a wedding car) and comment on how quaint the wind up windows are as they have never seen them before and don't get me started on the comments about the quarter lights. Why change a good thing that works fine and is not broken?
I have recently had so much trouble with my sons BMW mini electric windows that once I had fixed them he sold the car knowing that it was such a poor design it was likely to break again soon. 55 years on and my windows in the S Type are still going up and down using the handle.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 02:57 AM
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One thing I love on my Merc is tunnel mode. If it detects you are going into a tunnel it rolls up all the windows automatically, Closes off all outside air & recirculates internal air through an activated charcoal filter. No farting allowed!
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 03:19 AM
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The winding mechanism is very efficient and moves the windows up and down quickly and smoothly. My only criticism of it is - car thieves look away now - that it's very easy for someone outside the car to push the windows down and break in. It may be why Mk2 owners have always been very creative with hidden security switches and alarms.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
One thing I love on my Merc is tunnel mode. If it detects you are going into a tunnel it rolls up all the windows automatically, Closes off all outside air & recirculates internal air through an activated charcoal filter. No farting allowed!
On my S Type I have tunnel mode. You wind all the windows down and floor the accelerator then listen to the sound of the engine blasting off the tunnel walls. So much more fun than being quiet and the smell of petrol and Castrol R if you have put some in the tank is fantastic.

Just my opinion. lol.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
The winding mechanism is very efficient and moves the windows up and down quickly and smoothly. My only criticism of it is - car thieves look away now - that it's very easy for someone outside the car to push the windows down and break in. It may be why Mk2 owners have always been very creative with hidden security switches and alarms.
I have a real time tracker on my S Type and an immobiliser switch hidden under the bonnet. When I leave my car parked anywhere I leave all the doors unlocked but nothing in the car that can be stolen or look remotely like something someone might want to steal. ie an empty box or a cable hanging down. I would prefer someone to open an unlocked door to find nothing to steal than to do hundreds of pounds of damage to the locks, quarter light glass or window catches. Very unlikely someone will open a door and damage to the interior. More likely to try and damage the exterior of a car.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 09:17 AM
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I understand the sound but just think of all the fumes & sh*t you are breathing in.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 09:23 AM
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BTW ~ All these trick bits can be turned on or off in the "convenience menu". Who the hell needs heated headlight washers in SA. It's not Finland.
 

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Old Sep 26, 2023 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cass3958
I have a real time tracker on my S Type and an immobiliser switch hidden under the bonnet. When I leave my car parked anywhere I leave all the doors unlocked but nothing in the car that can be stolen or look remotely like something someone might want to steal. ie an empty box or a cable hanging down. I would prefer someone to open an unlocked door to find nothing to steal than to do hundreds of pounds of damage to the locks, quarter light glass or window catches. Very unlikely someone will open a door and damage to the interior. More likely to try and damage the exterior of a car.
Don't over estimate the intelligence of the thief; they may well break the lock before they realise it isn't locked. Someone smashed the lock in my old Renault 5 in Amsterdam airport. They intended to steal the radio, but hadn't looked through the window to see that it didn't have a radio. Also in Holland, a thief broke into our neighbours' house by levering out the frame around a window, although the window itself was open.

The best deterrent might be Bill Mac's rattle snake.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2023 | 03:46 AM
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On MK1/MK2 cars the simplest anti-theft system is to install a switch in the boot (trunk) for the fuel pump.
Easily done and extremely effective. If the thieves do manage to hot wire the car it may start but only go a hundred meters or so before the fuel in the SUs float bowls is exhausted.

Pete.
That is not a rattle snake, it is a non-venomous python. But most people have no idea what it is, and a snake is a snake, so they won't go near it.
I can't send you one for your car as they are protected and cannot be exported.
Cheers
 
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Old Sep 27, 2023 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac
On MK1/MK2 cars the simplest anti-theft system is to install a switch in the boot (trunk) for the fuel pump.
Easily done and extremely effective. If the thieves do manage to hot wire the car it may start but only go a hundred meters or so before the fuel in the SUs float bowls is exhausted.
That is exactly what I've done on my car Bill and like Cass I don't lock it. No one will want to steal a NOS LW/MW radio I have fitted for originality.
 
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