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Old Apr 25, 2021 | 04:31 PM
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since everybody is showing off, I will show off the new 225/60/15 Uniroyal Tiger Paw tires I installed in my 1984 XJ-6 with 1988 XJ-40 wheels and new "Moon" hubcaps. Slightly taller than the 235/60/15 Dunlop I had until a week ago, otherwise hardly any difference and they were cheap! Under $360.00 USD for all 4 mounted and balanced.

Now I am working with the radiator of the S type, I want the top tank polished like Cass. Pretty soon the engine will be removed and run to find out what the noise is.

Hey Glyn, that is some paint job you got there!






 
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Old Apr 25, 2021 | 04:50 PM
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Which paint job Jose?
 
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Old Apr 25, 2021 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
Which paint job Jose?
the one in your red car pictures above. I assume that is your S type?
 
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Old Apr 25, 2021 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose
the one in your red car pictures above. I assume that is your S type?
No. My car is BRG over Biscuit. (link in signature). That is a multiple JCNA winner that I saw at Fantasy Junction IIRC a number of years back. Now resides in Canada I understand. That car is only let down by rear door fit & interior where it is re-upholstered but still has original door cards etc. I photographed it as a minimum standard for my car to be built to. It's colour was a once off from Browns Lane called New Red. It is not Carmen Red. It's in this thread to show Michelin Tyres. Lovely car though with excellent paint. I would be very happy to own it. Steering wheel on wrong side & I would do some minor work like doors & new door cards. Broken seat reclining lever etc. Enamel is falling off exhaust manifolds.

Back doors are too short & fit poorly. See below.



















 

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 06:03 AM
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yeahh that is a bad rear door fit. Wonder what happened. Maybe the wing got hit and pushed the entire C pillar area inwards.

No news yet?

 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 06:22 AM
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here's the 5 tires I ordered for my S type: Milestar MS 205/75/15 white wall (they don't make a 195/75/15). Cheap at $64.00 USD each. Reviews are good.


 
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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jose
yeahh that is a bad rear door fit. Wonder what happened. Maybe the wing got hit and pushed the entire C pillar area inwards.

No news yet?
Both sides are the same ~ Maybe the doors were re skinned.. No news yet but I'm not surprised. I'm watching my post box for a slip to collect from my local Post Office. With Covid things are very slow here. They are never fast at the best of times. That's why for big shipments I use courier. Barratt's saver rate via DHL, 5 days to my door.
 

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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose
here's the 5 tires I ordered for my S type: Milestar MS 205/75/15 white wall (they don't make a 195/75/15).
Have you checked the overall mounted width? Will they clear the rear fenders?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 03:42 AM
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I have 205/75/15 on my S Type and they clear the rear wing but they are difficult to get on and off. I have wire wheels so the wheel has to be pulled out horizontal over the splines until the tyre hits the inner arch and then you have to angle it up and off the splines before it can come out. If I had steel wheels it might not be a problem with wheel nuts.I now have 5j wires but I was offered a set of 6j off an E Type and that was a different kettle of fish. Rears would only go on if I deflated the tyre and reinflated it on the car. The tyre still cleared the wing and looked great but getting the rears back off involved dropping the rear shock absorbers off the lower wishbone so the tyre dropped down below the rear arch so I went back to the 5j wires.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jagboi64
Have you checked the overall mounted width? Will they clear the rear fenders?
I checked as best as I could without having a mounted new tire to test at the rear. The 205 Is smaller than what the car has.


 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 07:21 AM
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It will be fine. A size commonly fitted by other than us originality nutcases. Cass explains the splined hub issue clearly. Obviously a steel wheel is much easier with oversize tyres. In SA 205/70/15 is the most commonly fitted oversize tyre due to availability.

The rear track of a wire wheeled S Type is narrower than one with steel wheels. Never seen anything official from Jaguar as to whether this was done to aid wire wheel removal.
 

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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
The rear track of a wire wheeled S Type is narrower than one with steel wheels. Never seen anything official from Jaguar as to whether this was done to aid wire wheel removal.
How is this measured and which components are different Glyn. Mine was steel wheels and I converted to wires so is it just the hub length that is different or were there other components ie the driveshafts and upper wishbone that were different lengths? Or was it just the offset difference between the steel wheels and the wire wheels?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 10:07 AM
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The Mk2 was the opposite. With wires, the front and rear tracks both increased. The difference wasn't equal so it may have come from the different hubs rather than/as well as the wheels.

It's not unusual to see Mk2s that seem to have a different gaps below the front and rear doors. The cars had very narrow door gaps by any standards. In an era where door frames were made in numerous pieces welded together, the narrow gaps relied on the use of a lot of lead which might have been more difficult to apply along the edge of the sill. Add the fact that the doors came in different sizes and the JCNA winner may well have come out of the factory with the gaps in the photo.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Cass3958
How is this measured and which components are different Glyn. Mine was steel wheels and I converted to wires so is it just the hub length that is different or were there other components ie the driveshafts and upper wishbone that were different lengths? Or was it just the offset difference between the steel wheels and the wire wheels?
It can be measured at the tyre but more accurately at the wheel clamping face. The splined hub (in it's carrier after correct shimming/setting) is where the difference is vs. the studded hub. Setting the hubs correctly is not a pleasant job. The rest of the IRS remains identical. I also changed from steel wheels to wires.












 

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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 11:55 AM
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Fighting with stripping the hubs to get the shim off and change bearings etc prior to fitting the splined hubs & getting the right fat shim in place for correct bearing clearance, then seal etc.

Then all nicely cleaned up with aluminium cleaner/brightener that we use on our tankers.




 
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter3442
It's not unusual to see Mk2s that seem to have a different gaps below the front and rear doors. The cars had very narrow door gaps by any standards. In an era where door frames were made in numerous pieces welded together, the narrow gaps relied on the use of a lot of lead which might have been more difficult to apply along the edge of the sill. Add the fact that the doors came in different sizes and the JCNA winner may well have come out of the factory with the gaps in the photo.
This is the best door fit/job I've ever seen on an S Type. Someone worked long & hard to achieve this. We did a lot of fiddling but not to this standard. Resident in Germany (no surprise). Pressed Steel never did the greatest job of assembling Jaguar bodies.


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