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I'll be heading out to the shop with the sawsall and the plasma tomorrow. None of the scrap guys will take it because it has no wheels and can't be rolled. Shame, because it is a rust free car, but I am done with it.
Don't do anything hastey, even if you don't want to finish it I bet someone out there will.
If you do cut it up some of the panels might be of use to others, things like the nose cones are over £500 her in the UK.
Don't do anything hastey, even if you don't want to finish it I bet someone out there will.
If you do cut it up some of the panels might be of use to others, things like the nose cones are over £500 her in the UK.
That's a good point, thanks. Maybe I will try to save the nose. How far back should I cut it?
My problem is that for a while now I have been wanting to do something different, but I have stuck myself with 3 jags. I have been trying to sell or trade my red MK2 for a year. I literally can't give it away because it has a Chevy engine. And now the market is dead, so selling anything is near impossible. I also have a 1995 XJ12. I bought this to steal the engine for the coupe project, but now I am abandoning the coupe, I can sell the XJ. Same problem though. No one buying. I also have a 1949 truck that am keeping. So four project cars and none of them are the one I want to do next. I have spoken to several dealers who have a car I want, and they get all interested until they find out I want to trade a Jag. Then they say 'No thanks'. Even when offering it up as part trade against an E-Type, the dealer refused to take it???
I have a (reasonable) agreement with my wife that I will not add any more cars to my collection. So to move on, something has to go.
So, change of plan. Cut up the coupe and get rid of it, keep the red MK2 (I will have a ton of spares) and trade the XJ12. I get to move on, and the wife won't be ready to castrate me.
Already been there but at least it will look better than an Aristocat kit. From the side they look OK but from the front they are all out of proportion which is the difference I suppose to trying to convert a Mk2 to a Coupe. From the front it will look good but from the side it will be a Mk2 but all out of proportion.
I appreciate everyone has their own opinion which is why we have a discussion forum where we can all express our views. Some will say that the cost of the XK150 is too high for their pocket. On carandclassic some are for sale at £150k to £195k but note these are for sale not sold. Others are for as little as £23,289 but need some work. My view is if you want a Jaguar coupe buy an XK150 for £30k spend £20k on a restoration doing the work yourself. In the end have a car worth £100k and save yourself money because the amount you are ploughing in to the Mk2 coupe project is being wasted. After the initial purchase cost of the Mk2, all the hours put in to it which are likely to be double that you would in to an XK150 restoration, all the money being spent on the parts which are not standard and therefore cost more and you will find you will have spent as much on this project as you would on an XK150 restoration. Problem is the resale cost of the Mk2 Coupe will be a fraction of the original XK150 restored.
Yes the Mk2 Coupe will turn heads but a lot of enthusiast will be turning their heads away from it saying "WTF" especially if it is not done properly whereas everyone, petrol head or not, will turn to see an XK150 in awe.
Just my opinion.
I Agree with most of what you have said here, but in the end, you are missing the point. I didn't want a restored XK150, I wanted a Hot Rot MK2 Coupe based on the ideas I had sketched up.
I Agree with most of what you have said here, but in the end, you are missing the point. I didn't want a restored XK150, I wanted a Hot Rot MK2 Coupe based on the ideas I had sketched up.
yes that's right,
I wanted a 2 door coupe so I build one,
4.2 v8 manual 6 speed box,
I DID NOT WANT AN XK 150,
and I don't give a mm about the money,
if cmc can build a mk2 for ian cullem and try and sell 10/12 off the back of it for 350k
what I have build should 250k maybe.
yes that's right,
I wanted a 2 door coupe so I build one,
4.2 v8 manual 6 speed box,
I DID NOT WANT AN XK 150,
and I don't give a mm about the money,
if cmc can build a mk2 for ian cullem and try and sell 10/12 off the back of it for 350k
what I have build should 250k maybe.
A question. Can't quite see in your pic. I can see you have cleaned up the rear bodywork & skirt. Have you extended the front skirt below the usual behind bumper lip? It looks as though you may have. If so great idea! Also like the tasteful wheelarch treatment.
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thanks,
will this help
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E=Glyn M Ruck;2217268]A question. Can't quite see in your pic. I can see you have cleaned up the rear bodywork & skirt. Have you extended the front skirt below the usual behind bumper lip? It looks as though you may have. If so great idea! Also like the tasteful wheelarch treatment.
I appreciate that if you want something that does not exist only in your mind then you have to go and build it. I did that with a Lotus Seven. Started with a set of plans and altered it to fit my height, fitted the engine and running gear I wanted, skinned the body in aluminium. 190 BHP in a half ton chassis. But it was not a Lotus seven nor was it even a Caterham and the money I got when I sold it was a tenth of the Lotus original and a third of a Caterham. It was registered on a "Q" plate.
I have been trying to sell or trade my red MK2 for a year. I literally can't give it away because it has a Chevy engine
This sums the position up. Originality sells to anyone, Modified is a very small market. In the UK we do not have the same Modification culture that the US has mainly due to the restrictions put on registering radically modified vehicles for use on the UK roads and our "Q" plate system.
My remarks are purely economical but to suggest that a Mk2 Coupe built in a garage from odd parts which will have to be registered with a "Q" plate due to the amount of modifications ie Engine, Gearbox, Brakes, Running gear, no doubt the steering as well and the radical alteration to the chassis by removing a set of rear doors.
I wanted a 2 door coupe so I build one, 4.2 v8 manual 6 speed box, I DID NOT WANT AN XK 150, and I don't give a mm about the money, if cmc can build a mk2 for ian cullem and try and sell 10/12 off the back of it for 350k what I have build should 250k maybe.
is then going to be worth £250k is a bit of a dream. I doubt if registered correctly with the "Q" plate it will be worth as much as half a good original Mk2 but then you are not interested in the money.
To get your modified car through the IVA to get a "Q" plate would be almost impossible due to the modern build restrictions. I do hope you have researched the IVA protocol as I would hate for you to finish the car and then find you cannot get it on the road legally. The reason the CMC cars are not on a "Q" plate is that they are built with all new parts. Even the chassis and body work as far as I am aware and built to modern standards. If you look at the Heritage Jaguar "C" Types that were built recently to the original plans of the 1950s "C" Types they are not UK road legal even though built with all new parts. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...built-vehicles
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
If you are based in Grimsby UK, what have you done to enable your Daimler Coupe to be registered legally for use on the UKs roads once you have completed your modifications?
Are you going to bury your head in the sand, register the car under its original registration number and take the risks;
a.Will you insure it as an original standard Daimler and suffer the consequences of not being legally insured as you have not informed the insurance company of the modifications.
b. As the vehicle is heavily modified it will no longer come under the Historic vehicle category for MOT exemption so will you have it MOTed every year.
c. As the vehicle is no longer an Historic vehicle will you declare your vehicle correctly to DVLA and apply for road tax.
d. Pray you are not stopped by a knowledgeable police office who will throw the book at you.
e. Come clean with everyone including the Insurance company and register the vehicle with DVLA as a Radically Altered Vehicle so it can be issued with a "Q" plate as per the law. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...tered-vehicles
Only asking as there may be a lot of people contemplating a project like this or possibly half way through one but not aware of the law concerning Radically Altered Vehicles in the UK. You might be able to throw some light on how you are going about it. Obviously I am not fully aware what other modifications you have made or are making so perhaps you can inform us what you have done other than the completely modified Monocoque bodyshell.
You will not be able to keep your vehicle’s original registration number if one of the following applies:
it has a second-hand or altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame
If you are based in Grimsby UK, what have you done to enable your Daimler Coupe to be registered legally for use on the UKs roads once you have completed your modifications?
Are you going to bury your head in the sand, register the car under its original registration number and take the risks;
a.Will you insure it as an original standard Daimler and suffer the consequences of not being legally insured as you have not informed the insurance company of the modifications.
b. As the vehicle is heavily modified it will no longer come under the Historic vehicle category for MOT exemption so will you have it MOTed every year.
c. As the vehicle is no longer an Historic vehicle will you declare your vehicle correctly to DVLA and apply for road tax.
d. Pray you are not stopped by a knowledgeable police office who will throw the book at you.
e. Come clean with everyone including the Insurance company and register the vehicle with DVLA as a Radically Altered Vehicle so it can be issued with a "Q" plate as per the law. https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...tered-vehicles
Only asking as there may be a lot of people contemplating a project like this or possibly half way through one but not aware of the law concerning Radically Altered Vehicles in the UK. You might be able to throw some light on how you are going about it. Obviously I am not fully aware what other modifications you have made or are making so perhaps you can inform us what you have done other than the completely modified Monocoque bodyshell.
To be honest this is what put paid to my dream of building an XJR powered MK2, once you start cutting the shell around to fit the running gear your in a world of paperwork and uncertainty.
Years ago it used to be anything went and even when it probably shouldn't have kept its original ID people weren't overly bothered (think of the number of classic mini cabrio conversion etc.) but nowerdays things are a lot more strict.
The IVA also killed the kit car industry. I built a Lotus Seven replica from a new chassis in 2001 which I altered to fit my height then fitted all my own running gear. SVA as it was then cost me £150 on top of the build cost with a free retest. Acceptable as you were building a cheap motor. Now the IVA which replaced the SVA is a lot more involved, costs £450 with a £99 retest fee. Suddenly building a cheap car was costing an awful lot to get it registered with a "Q" plate. I moved away from Kits and start restoring classic cars. A lot cheaper in the long run, less hassle with the authorities to get the car on the road if it was a simple restoration but as soon as you start modifying in the UK a whole nest of worms come about.
My heavens. What does CMC with it's Callum type Mk2's & Eagle with the Speedster etc. have to go through to get & keep those vehicles on the road?
My understanding is that the DVLA use a system where you need to get 8 points to retain the original identity.
From the DVLA website:
Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer) 5
Suspension (front and back) - original 2
Axles (both) - original 2
Transmission - original 2
Steering assembly - original 2
Engine - original 1
If it doesn't have 8 from the above then it loses its identity and "5 of these points must come from having the original or new and unmodified chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame."
The requirement for MOT exemption are different but in the case of some of the heavily modified cars I assume that they must go through a proper approval process, surely they wouldn't be selling these cars for huge sums of money if they weren't correctly registered?
I guess the issue is what can you do to the bodyshell before it is classed as modified.
I would suspect that adding things to it (body kits, spoilers, wheel arches etc.) would be fine as they are an addition, minor changes (things like drilling holes for aerials, spotlights, seatbelts maybe rolling wheel arches for bigger wheels would be ok.
Cutting out chassis members, the centre tunnel, tubbing arches, fibreglass wings/flip fronts etc. would all probably be a no no, of course thats just my opinion and its all quite grey as where would you stand if you fitted a different gearbox and needed to cut a hole for the gear stick?
For me a sensible approach would be that if it still looks like the original car and is structurally unchanged then minor things would be ok, I would even extend that to making the car a two door, however, the DVLA would probably disagree and ultimatly its them that we need to convince.
Hmm! The Speedster is virtually a new vehicle right down to body. There are no ways that Eagle could afford to crash test the thing.
I don't think they need to crash test them though, the IVA process doesn't require that for individual vehicle approval (although i'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination).
As an aside I do think some degree of checking of modified cars isn't necessarily a bad thing, for example in the UK we are told that you shouldn't work on gas appliances or pipework unless you are registered with the Gasafe register (Althought the regulations don't quite say this but thats an argument for a different forum), however, there is nothing stopping someone modifying the brakes on their car, getting it wrong and then heading off down the M5 at 70MPH and causing a huge accident. Its always a difficult balance of letting people have the freedom to do what they want while protecting them and others around them from their actions.
Thanks! The Speedster has a new & slightly reprofiled body, Heavily reworked suspension, their own gearbox, heavily reworked engine with their own block & crankshaft to increase capacity etc. etc. ad infinitum.
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