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Old 07-31-2018, 05:32 AM
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Todd whom purchased Jon's 2005 S Type is about to remove his leaper for a couple of years. Todd originally purchased the S Type for his wife that does highway cruising for her work. Maggie their 19 year old daughter has fallen in love with it. So much for being an old man's car!! Anyways, Maggie is a college student and will be parking on campus. I mentioned to Todd how long before a drunken coed needs to have a leaper as a souvenir.

I bought Todd a leaper badge to "temporarily" replace leaper until Maggie is finished with school It was his father's day present..
 
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:43 AM
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A very wise decision, Rick. I doubt if a leaper hood ornament would last through a home football game weekend on most major college campuses....
 
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Unless a car came standard with a leaper (even though it might have been replaced with a growler in some countries) you really can't graft one on. The angle of the leading edge of the hood is tool far downward so the leaping cat will look like it's about to land, not jump upwards. To find the right shape results in the leaper being in the middle of the hood not the forward edge.
Lots of people who bought original XFs tried to do it and everyone was disappointed.
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On an S-type the "leaper" finishes the retro look package IMHO. The front end just looks unfinished without it!
 
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pab
Unless a car came standard with a leaper (even though it might have been replaced with a growler in some countries) you really can't graft one on. The angle of the leading edge of the hood is tool far downward so the leaping cat will look like it's about to land, not jump upwards. To find the right shape results in the leaper being in the middle of the hood not the forward edge.
Lots of people who bought original XFs tried to do it and everyone was disappointed.
There are multiple models that leapers were standard, so there might be an earlier leaper that might not need modifying, looking at the base (XJ6 appears to be flatter than the S-Type leaper, just looking at the hood and nor measuring).

i will modify my stance on this topic. Sport models like the E, F, XK series can do without, since the hood lines are so fine. Saloons/Sedans should have one, to distinguish their luxury car status. Still on the fence with the XJ-S. Either way would look great.
 

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Originally Posted by pab
Unless a car came standard with a leaper (even though it might have been replaced with a growler in some countries) you really can't graft one on. The angle of the leading edge of the hood is tool far downward so the leaping cat will look like it's about to land, not jump upwards. To find the right shape results in the leaper being in the middle of the hood not the forward edge.
Lots of people who bought original XFs tried to do it and everyone was disappointed.
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I am sure a shim could be made to change the angle so you could put it where it belongs.
 
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:28 AM
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I also think that the leaper ties the look of the front of the S Type together and helps it look more old timey. The car definitely looks better with one than without one. I'm kind of amazed that mine hasn't been stolen in the four years I've had the car. Good thing no one like Jaguars. Of course that doesn't include you maniacs.
 
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Old 08-19-2018, 05:36 PM
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The leaper on my 2008 is perfect, on the XK8 it would look like lipstick on a pig.
 
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I learned two things today. Leaper = the jag on the hood. Jaguarness is a thing.

One thing I can share on the subject is external projections and pedestrian impact = https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-...ru-protection/
 
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It used to be on Mercedes that the hood ornament told you what the "aspiration" of the car was.

Regular sedans, limos, models meant to be cruisers had the MB tristar as a stand up hood ornament
Performance and sports cars had it in the grille.

I think Jag did the same, XJ, S-Type had a leaper. XK has a growler badge.

Now they no longer mount them due to safety regulations, I believe.
 
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:01 AM
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Now they no longer mount them due to safety regulations, I believe.
That's correct. Although I'm not sure what the regulations were for the markets the S-Type went to back then, nowadays we have both interior and exterior regulations for each part of the human body that could be impacted. The nose of the car and the I.P. are the most important / studied areas.
Back when I was working on the DEW platform I was in drivetrain and had no concerns for this.
Today though its something I have to account for.
 
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wydopnthrtl
That's correct. Although I'm not sure what the regulations were for the markets the S-Type went to back then, nowadays we have both interior and exterior regulations for each part of the human body that could be impacted. The nose of the car and the I.P. are the most important / studied areas.
Back when I was working on the DEW platform I was in drivetrain and had no concerns for this.
Today though its something I have to account for.
Its not interior passenger safety, but the European laws on pedestrian safety. A hood ornament could "impale" a pedestrian if you hit one. Its also why cars have higher hoods now. Those laws mandated more space between the hood and the engine, so the hood would flex if a person landed on it.
 
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Originally Posted by Arelem
Its not interior passenger safety, but the European laws on pedestrian safety. A hood ornament could "impale" a pedestrian if you hit one. Its also why cars have higher hoods now. Those laws mandated more space between the hood and the engine, so the hood would flex if a person landed on it.
Respectfully... Your statement is correct but I was speaking generically. (I'm a OEM automotive engineer and deal with both interior and exterior projections on a regular basis)



 
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Why is everyone so worried about impalement from a little leaping kitty, when there's THIS:

 
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love the look of a leaper on hood!!! because its a jag it belongs there!!
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Why is everyone so worried about impalement from a little leaping kitty, when there's THIS:

Perhaps because they live somewhere which makes laws about safety. The car shown would be illegal in many countries.
 
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Perhaps because they live somewhere which makes laws about safety. The car shown would be illegal in many countries.
Ha Ha John. You would make a great Lefty politician. I will take take our politically incorrect ways any day. Taxation and big brother governments aint for me.
 
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It's a choice.

I like the way we have about 20% the number of road deaths (per capita) and about 1% the number of gun fatalities.

We get a lot better value from our health service, too.
 
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Value in health service is expensive. your 50-60% tax rate pays for second class service. When is Brexitt anyway? ya'll voted for it, whats taking so long.
Back to you for the last word........as usual
 
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You're wrong about the health service.

No idea about Brexit - it'll happen whenever some politicians do whatever they do. Ours are poor. Yours... ye gods, really awful!
 


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