Qwiketz intake elbow thread including pics and dyno charts
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Hey guys. I picked up everything today and have them ready to go. I just have to box them up. So, they should be shipping shortly. I'll probably even get the first ones out tomorrow afternoon.
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hi guys. For those of you in the UK, I ran a quote today and it was $62.65. I'll need to run your exact info, but that should give you a rough idea. I'm covering $15 of the cost so the actual price would be just under $260 shipped to the uk for a non-polished one.
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About the heat wrap, can anyone point me in the right direction on where to find it and exactly what type I am looking for? I have previously wrapped motorcycle exhaust pipes, but I have a feeling that is not the same type of wrap we are talking about.
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^ Thats what I will be using. Dont get thermal wrap like people wrap headers and exhaust piping in, thats to keep heat in. Cool tape is to keep heat out.
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hi guys. I shipped out the first elbow this morning to adam. To confirm, I have received payments from:
Adam Fench
Brock Dezelon
Thomas Kellman (polished unit)
Leandro Carvalho
Thanks for the orders guys. I have to box them up the latter 3 and get them out. Thomas, since your unit is polished, it's going to take a little longer. The non-polished are ready but the polished still have to be sent to the shop. I'll pm you updates to keep you in the loop. I'm hoping that it will only be 1 week additional.
Guys, I'm going to be doing a youtube video on the install. It's super easy but since I've done it several times, I'll highlight a few things to make it easier and a few things to watch for.
Adam Fench
Brock Dezelon
Thomas Kellman (polished unit)
Leandro Carvalho
Thanks for the orders guys. I have to box them up the latter 3 and get them out. Thomas, since your unit is polished, it's going to take a little longer. The non-polished are ready but the polished still have to be sent to the shop. I'll pm you updates to keep you in the loop. I'm hoping that it will only be 1 week additional.
Guys, I'm going to be doing a youtube video on the install. It's super easy but since I've done it several times, I'll highlight a few things to make it easier and a few things to watch for.
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hi guys. I shipped out the first elbow this morning to adam. To confirm, I have received payments from:
Adam Fench
Brock Dezelon
Thomas Kellman (polished unit)
Leandro Carvalho
Thanks for the orders guys. I have to box them up the latter 3 and get them out. Thomas, since your unit is polished, it's going to take a little longer. The non-polished are ready but the polished still have to be sent to the shop. I'll pm you updates to keep you in the loop. I'm hoping that it will only be 1 week additional.
Guys, I'm going to be doing a youtube video on the install. It's super easy but since I've done it several times, I'll highlight a few things to make it easier and a few things to watch for.
Adam Fench
Brock Dezelon
Thomas Kellman (polished unit)
Leandro Carvalho
Thanks for the orders guys. I have to box them up the latter 3 and get them out. Thomas, since your unit is polished, it's going to take a little longer. The non-polished are ready but the polished still have to be sent to the shop. I'll pm you updates to keep you in the loop. I'm hoping that it will only be 1 week additional.
Guys, I'm going to be doing a youtube video on the install. It's super easy but since I've done it several times, I'll highlight a few things to make it easier and a few things to watch for.
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Design Engineering DEI 010408 - DEI Cool Tape - Overview - SummitRacing.com
^ Thats what I will be using. Dont get thermal wrap like people wrap headers and exhaust piping in, thats to keep heat in. Cool tape is to keep heat out.
^ Thats what I will be using. Dont get thermal wrap like people wrap headers and exhaust piping in, thats to keep heat in. Cool tape is to keep heat out.
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Guys,
before you go and spend money on tape or heat wraps, there are a couple things you should know about thermal insulation:
1. Products like Cool Tape work by providing a shiny surface that reflects radiant heat [infrared emissions from the surrounding engine bay]. Polished stainless is about 75% as good at fresh polished aluminum. Oxidized aluminum is 4x worse than polished stainless, and aluminum begins oxidizing instantly after it is polished. It is a very reactive metal, while the oxidation of stainless is already present in the polished surface. The amount of oxidation that it takes to change aluminum's reflectivity is much less than the amount it takes to make it 'look bad'.
Bottom line: if you are only going to wrap it in aluminum tape, you are better off with polished unless the cost difference is that important. [BTW polished on the inside and outside is twice as good as just polished on the outside]
2. Radiant heat is only part of the problem. Convected heat [hot air in the engine bay] also puts heat into the tube. Still air is an effective insulator and fiber based insulation [like fiberglass wool in your typical wall insulation] works very well. Glass itself has poor heat conduction and the fibers trap air effectively to reduce convection. DEI and others make a thermal blanket that is aluminized on one side of a fiberglass fabric. This material addresses both radiation and convection. In order to address the limitations of reflective materials, spacecraft use multiple layers separated by a thin gap [as much as 20-40 layers of MLI].
Bottom line: the most effective and practical insulation over just reflective material is likely multiple layers of aluminized fiberglass [such as 2 or 3 layers, more always being more effective]. You can go out and buy spacecraft MLI material and stack it up yourself but that can get complicated and expensive.
This does not take aesthetics or other constraints into consideration, but in terms of just thermal insulation performance, the 'best' insulation would be multiple layers of heat blanket over a polished stainless tube.
One quick comparison: the thermal conductivity of the OEM plastic tube is about 1000x lower [better]than an aluminum tube and 100x lower than a 304 Stainless tube [assuming all of the same thickness].
hope this helps,
TonyL
before you go and spend money on tape or heat wraps, there are a couple things you should know about thermal insulation:
1. Products like Cool Tape work by providing a shiny surface that reflects radiant heat [infrared emissions from the surrounding engine bay]. Polished stainless is about 75% as good at fresh polished aluminum. Oxidized aluminum is 4x worse than polished stainless, and aluminum begins oxidizing instantly after it is polished. It is a very reactive metal, while the oxidation of stainless is already present in the polished surface. The amount of oxidation that it takes to change aluminum's reflectivity is much less than the amount it takes to make it 'look bad'.
Bottom line: if you are only going to wrap it in aluminum tape, you are better off with polished unless the cost difference is that important. [BTW polished on the inside and outside is twice as good as just polished on the outside]
2. Radiant heat is only part of the problem. Convected heat [hot air in the engine bay] also puts heat into the tube. Still air is an effective insulator and fiber based insulation [like fiberglass wool in your typical wall insulation] works very well. Glass itself has poor heat conduction and the fibers trap air effectively to reduce convection. DEI and others make a thermal blanket that is aluminized on one side of a fiberglass fabric. This material addresses both radiation and convection. In order to address the limitations of reflective materials, spacecraft use multiple layers separated by a thin gap [as much as 20-40 layers of MLI].
Bottom line: the most effective and practical insulation over just reflective material is likely multiple layers of aluminized fiberglass [such as 2 or 3 layers, more always being more effective]. You can go out and buy spacecraft MLI material and stack it up yourself but that can get complicated and expensive.
This does not take aesthetics or other constraints into consideration, but in terms of just thermal insulation performance, the 'best' insulation would be multiple layers of heat blanket over a polished stainless tube.
One quick comparison: the thermal conductivity of the OEM plastic tube is about 1000x lower [better]than an aluminum tube and 100x lower than a 304 Stainless tube [assuming all of the same thickness].
hope this helps,
TonyL
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is this a one time production run? or will this be available throughout the year? I would like to be a second mover on procuring this and see its durability after a few months of you guys using it. The mafioso intake turned me off after hearing that certain areas were ripping and causing issues. This is my sole DD and would like a headache and worry free drive to work/life everyday 
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.featuring a baked only higher ceramic content for better heat deflection), without any hiccup, only thing I heard back then was that the breather tube got ripped by a few, but after just getting better fitting to em, they lasted and held up just right. Actually since you brought this up, whats the difference between Mafiosos intake elbow as compared to Qwiketz? Mafioso had 3 variants of his intake elbows at the time.
Kudos to Qwiketz to provide all the members access to his intake elbow
, but just curious what makes Qwiketz elbow special?
Last edited by jag79; Apr 28, 2012 at 10:57 AM.