S Type R Rear Brake Job: Help Please!
 

Hey Guys, Im getting ready to do a rear brake job on my S Type R. brakingperformance.com has the stuff at a super great price at what seems to be factory spec. From lots of other threads Ive seen several people recommend them here so Im giving them a shot. Im just going to go with their semi-metallic pads and plain rotors. This is for 2 main reasons, they need to match the look of the fronts, and because the car is for sale. I plan to order the parts this week and do it next weekend sometime probably.

My questions are: What parts and tools do I need to do the job besides the actual rotors n pads? Ive done brake jobs before but its been a while and I havent done one on this car.

Where are the Jack Points on it?

Summerized step by step approach to it?

Please try not to laugh too much, im a pretty smart guy jsut not overly mechaincally inclined

Thanks as always! -Erik

You will need a Brake Piston Compression Tool!
(If you don't have, Autozone or PepBoys can rent you a set for a small deposit & fee)

The piston gets turned to the right to compress. However, be certain NOT to compress the piston TOO FAR into its cylinder as you might blow the seal!!!

You MUST hold the Park Brake Switch DOWN (in its release position) as you turn the key to the OFF position else the Park Brake will Automatically engage & you'll NEVER get the pad bracket to swing off the rotor.

Jack points; you'll find them when you're down there. YOU MUST CHOCK THE FRONT WHEELS & USE JACK STANDS! When working in the floor I ALWAYS use a 3-TON SET!!! SAFETY 1st..........

Ummmm, a few good pointers their.

With the park brake hold the brake switch down then switch off AND remove the key. This will stop the brake coming on.

Presume you have the Brembos so it really is a nice straight forward job. With reagrds to a compression tool, don't waist your money you do not need one. the 4 pistons in each caliper push back very easily by hand (just make sure that when you push one the others do not move out!!) if they are stiff then you have problems!!! When i done mine the pins needed a fair amount of persuasion to come out courtesy of a punch and hammer (two pins for the main caliper and two for the park brake caliper. Also the park brake caliper is would CLOCKWISE in and i just used some needle nose pliers which worked absolutely fine.

As said don't forget to chock the wheels and always use axle stands (unless you can bench 2.5 tons!!!)

Damien.

For a rear jack point the center chunk of the rear axle is probably the best spot.. I was about to do the backs on my car, but I haven't been able to find the parking brake pads on the internet..were you able to find them? or are you leaving them alone? Eric

Thanks.........
Yeah, that park brake tip comes in handy, uh?
If he has the single piston units he will need the tool! It's worth $17 to have on hand just in case. Save him a trip after the wheels are off the car.

So far so good guys keep the advice coming :)

Eric, I planned to not touch the parking brake pads as I doubt they can be really worn out. I prob should have asked my fav tech ( at the dealer, lol@ apossible comment from some1here) though thanks for the jack point tip too

Re: Park Brake Check (Simple)
 

Remember this IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE VERIFICATION of the condition of the Park Brake Shoes but an easy way to test them is as follows:
1) Car parked on LEVEL GROUND (Also best to have assistant to help stop car just in case)
2) Key On Engine Off
3) Park Brake Engaged
4) Shifter Placed in Neutral
5) Try to roll the car in both directions. If you can't then they're probably okay unless you park on steep inclines.

As you plan to sell the vehicle you are OBLIGATED for safety reasons to inform the buyer that the EMERGENCY BRAKES NEED to be checked if not replaced. Just as you inform them of the recent brake service you HAVE performed. Considering the possibility of their steep hill parking!!

Great tips about shutting down the Park Brake to allow for rear pad replacement, and also about testing how well the Park Brake is doing its job. Thanks to all that have contributed in this thread - it will help any S-Type rear brake job go a lot smoother and faster. I made some quick notes and filed them away in my S-Type maintenance folder for when it's time for me to replace the rear pads on our 2005 S-Type....

TBJCC: thanks for being so concerned, as it was at the dealer just last week getting serviced and how I learned about my rear brakes im sure my tech checked them (a fellow styper owner) but i did your test just to be safe and my car didnt budge at all :)

Thanks to everyone else too, how does $190 including shipping for both rear rotors n pads sound?

Update: I got them ordered last Friday and they were shipped the same day, I should have them by Thursday according to my UPS tracking number. Hopefully, Ill have time to get to them this weekend. I plan to take pictures as well at least of the product when I get it if not the installation process for others :)

Umm the R is the only s type with separate parking brake. The standard cars use the rear discs as the parking brake. The str uses a different setup than the conventional cars.

So with a 3.0, you do not have to hold the Park Brake switch down and then turn off the ignition and remove the key in order to be able to remove the rear brake pads?

I presume you've replaced your rear brakes so you can confirm this?

Yes you do, but I figured that was common knowledge. It's been posted on every "brake" thread I've seen. My comment is based on the fact that the str has a separate set of pads and hardware for the parking brake. And yes, I've done all 4. Posted a thread about it as well.

What is being asked here is it a mechanical parking brake VS. electronic parking brake.
My 01 3.0 stype had a mechanical brake that when released allowed me to remove the caliper and pads.
My 06 STR has an electronic parking brake that must be held down when shut off to stop the brake from engaging.
So we must determine which year of car we are talking about when doing rear brakes.

The '03 refresh is when the electronic parking brake became standard on all Lincoln LS and Jaguar S Type models. Also, the first year for the STR, therefore all STR's have an electronic parking brake. The major difference with the STR that drove discussion is the fact that the STR actually has a second caliper and pads for the parking brake, at least when the Brembo brakes are fitted, therefore the parking brake doesn't need to be deactivated to change pads only but will need to be deactivated to replace the rotors.

More info on Rear Brembo STR replacement
 

Thanx for all the posted helpful tips. Here's is what I just found changing them. I replaced my front rotors and pads. I have a 2005 STR with Brembo calipers. Front's are easy. The hard part is breaking loose the bolts, etc. Arkobono pads are great so far, no noise no dust.
Now this weekend I palnned my rear. My car has 45k, the rear discs looked bad and machined with scratches. I knew my pads were low. The rear Brembo are almost exact for replacement as the front, but smaller pads. The issue is that I assumed my parking/emergancy brakes were fine so after I changed the rotor I put the parking brake caliper but on. Mistake. CHECK YOUR PARKING BRAKES. The dealer didn't say a thing while in for a oil change and warranty work. They were GONE! I've added pictures. I lost a new rotor because of them. So now, today, I picked up the parking brembo pads from the dealer for $121 ouch!
Now that caliper is not the same, the tips here were VERY helpful! The tip about spinning the pistin to the right and being able to use needle nose pliers to turn it really helped. I now have new discs and brakes all around for 1/4 the dealer cost!
http://www.manageware.net/images/mis...kesparking.jpg

Ouch that looks painful, I'm about to do semi metallic pads on all six calipers since NAPA does sell the parking brake in semi metallics. I was hoping to find the EPB pads in ceramic but I can't find a manufacture that has them all matching in ceramic

Why do you want the emergency pads to be the same material as the others?

Thanks for the tip about NAPA having the E pads.

Part #?

Bob S.

The STR rear parking brake pads are hard to find anywhere but the dealer. I did find them for about $80 on Rock Auto.

I release the parking brake differently. I just shut the car off in gear. This makes sure the parking brake is not partially applied. The electronic parking brake can be applied while the car is moving BUT Jaguar was smart and it only partially applies with one pull. Multiple pulls on the switch will apply the parking brakes more and more.

I have always been able to get the calibration back and shut off the error light by just applying the parking brake multiple times. It seems to find a comfortable spot with use.
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I've seen them on ebay - but I was only looking at UK sellers.

I found pads and discs everywhere for my STR, even when Brembo. I used autopartswarehouse.com and though they don't have a perfectly accurate website I called them gave them my VIN after I researched the parts and picked the right parts with free shipping. I purchased 4 discs and front and rear pad sets (maybe $550 total, OEM replacement quality). I couldn't find the OEM quality parking brake pads anywhere but the dealer. Why would anyone carry them, the separate parking brake caliper is over engineered and difficult, hence no longer used. And I dont know what other vehicle uses them.

But go with Ceramic. Semi, metalic, etc I've found are noisey and the dust is problematic.

I don't know what the previous owner on my STR 2005 was doing to waste the parking brake pads! But my other stype 3.0 I never had to worry about that.

He was DRIFTING.........................:)

Mine Need changing. Here's a company that has them

More Information for BECK/ARNLEY 0899001

Don't know if the 2nd link below will show up for you but it's what I've paid for them with two day shipping.

Part NumberPart TypePrice EACore EAQuantityTotal2005 JAGUAR S-TYPE R 4.2L 4196cc V8 FI Supercharged DOHCBECK/ARNLEY0899001 (089-9001)Parking Brake Pad$ 76.79$ 0.001$ 76.79Shipping2 Business Day Express$ 8.50Order Total$ 85.29




Here's the part number just in case.
BECK/ARNLEY Part #0899001

Exactly, how in the He double hockey Sticks do you burn out the parking brake(s)? When you engage the car in drive, the parking brake disengages. When you stop and put the car in park, it engages.... Beats me what whatever.....

At least 3 ways:

Engage it (often?) while moving (it's an emergency brake as well as P brake)

Have the ****ing thing in a confused state. It'll leave it dragging even though it's "not applied" :(

Allow the Bowden cable(s) to stick - same result.

David,

I don't know if you meant to include your address with the link, I've deleted it just in case but pasted in the relevant price info.

Norri

I didn't really mean to Norri. Thanks for pulling the excessive information out. I was more interested in people just knowing where to get those pads than the overkill of information I posted. You (as usual) did a stellar job of removing my other data, irrelevant to the parking brake pads themselves.

Parking Brake Pad
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I'm late on this, so it might already have been said. In an earlier post I stated that my parking brake pads were gone in only 38k. They must drag becuase I get a lot more black coating my rear rims. I also have a 2005 STR, sliver, and got the parking pads at the dealer for I think $124 a set. They are a bitch to change! It's a mechanical caliper. There is a special tool but I got by by rigging a set of needle nose pilers. But beware, it sucks! Eseically when these things get stuck on and do not want to come off. I ruined a set of rotors by not changing the parkings pads.
I changed all four rotors and pads for something around (sorry I lied before and am now editing) $700. The dealer wanted $900 for only front with only turning rotors! Makre sure they are Brembo pads.

What kind of tool do I need to unscrew the Parking brake Caliper?

Is it the same as a regular wind in tool? If so you can rent them from Autozone.

EPB Pads Cheap!
Parking BrakePads for STR only $34 @ Brakeperformance
News Flash!!! I'm told these pads will not fit the STR!!!!

Reality is I have no clue. I'll likely find out Saturday Morning though.

Wow, That's half what I paid not including shipping. I'll make a note for the future. I got Powerstop rotors with their ceramic pads front and rear for a total of 397 shipped......36000 mile warranty against warping.

I forget the name of the tool, but what was said earlier sounds about right. I purchased on eBay a JITS cd (Jaguar manual) that has all the service bulletins and procedures in it. I found that if you can get the rear parking brake caliper apart, I couldn't, it might make turn the pads cylinder back easier. This is important since it's mechanical there are steps to get it released or the car will lock them and you won't be able to remove anything. Can you get a copy of JITS or look online here for the Brembo rear procedure??????

It's a regular wind-back tool with an end like this picture. It would help if someone would measure the pin sizes and spacing :)

Over here, I think it may be Laser 1314 but just borrow the AZ one lol

As I recall (!), each side winds back in the same direction but I may be wrong.......
(trivial with the tool)

You should carry out the EPB calibration process (FAQs) after doing this, apparently, as otherwise I think the module tends to leave them dragging on the discs.

You can prevent the EPB from auto-applying as I think has been said by holding its paddle down as you turn off the engine and remove the key. You may need your foot on the brake as you do that.

I WOULD NOT WORK ON THESE WITH THE KEY IN THE IGNITION FOR FEAR OF TRIGGERING THE AUTO-APPLY.

(You can apply them any time by lifting the EPB paddle. I think that's even with the key out! You cannot unapply them without jumping through hoops.)

If you remove the caliper retaining bolts (as distinct from the pad retaining pins), jag say you should discard and replace them. They are not designed for reuse.

Thank you big time. Where can I buy this tool?

Never Mind, I see you can get them at Sears. Thanks for the Info....

David as jagv8 mentioned, why buy when you can rent for free from Auto Zone, Advanced etc.... They all just require a refundable security deposit.

It's different over here, I don't think anywhere rents/loans them. I bought a set on ebay that should last me for future cars (yeah, right).