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That nasty 5.0 water pump you'd think JLR would have rectified that issue by now
In reading the thread from White Bear looking for info to DIY replace his water pump it is clear that there is more a problem with the cheap plastic parts that attach to the pump. Typical manufacturing cost reduction that are employed by engineers, they look and sound great during the design phase but in real life use cause short life span to those parts.
High end manufacturers, Jaguar included, are in the business of selling beautiful high performing cars new off the floor. They design and build for the first owner...
Still, I would have a XF or XJ with this same 5.0 liter engine in my stable at any time.
Steve_k_xk,
You asked about the different experiences in driving the Audi n/a 4.2 and the Jag n/a 4.2.
In my opinion these engines are two different generations, my current Audi 4.2 is a DI engine, and of course the Jag 4.2 is port injected. The 2007 Audi is rated at 350 bhp, the 2008 Jag unit at 300.
The Audi unit, mated to its six speed trans is very powerful, quick clean shifts, is rarely, if ever, caught in the wrong gear, and will effortlessly run up to its redline limit without sounding stressed, in fact it's a very Germanic engine, no fuss, no bother, and does its job very well providing very good fuel mileage.
The 2008 Jag unit in comparison surprisingly felt almost as fast, the ZF trans was the fastest paddle shifting trans I've ever driven, and it's ratio's were almost perfectly matched to the engine. I loved the exhaust note of the Jag, a sort of mid range growl rather than the deep V8 rumble, and that added a lot to the driving experience for me. That enginee almost seemed the revel in high rpm's and was very happy to rev right up to the red line.
Both are low maintenance engines, 10,000 mile oil changes (recommend but too long for me), plugs 100,000, etc. Frankly it's hard to separate these engines from their respective bodies, and what cars were indented for. If you prefer the somewhat soullessnes of some modern cars, then perhaps the Audi is for you, but for those us who demand that when we turn our cars on, they return the favor, i.e., a little passion from our cars, well the Jag wins hands down.
I did own an older A6 4.2, a 2001 and it was rated at 300 bhp, and was port injected. I have to admit that car was my favorite daily driver of all the cars I've ever owned. A very sophisticated, smooth running, powerful, free revving n/a V8, maybe the best I've ever driven until the new Jag 5.0 n/a DI engine. It was not as powerful, nor as quick as the later DI engines, but unusually for a German car, it had character, and I loved it for that.
Neither Audi ever approached the svelt lines or the beauty of the Jags, neither inside or out, but I have to admit they do know how to build a nice engine.
Regards,
Steve_k_xk,
You asked about the different experiences in driving the Audi n/a 4.2 and the Jag n/a 4.2.
In my opinion these engines are two different generations, my current Audi 4.2 is a DI engine, and of course the Jag 4.2 is port injected. The 2007 Audi is rated at 350 bhp, the 2008 Jag unit at 300.
The Audi unit, mated to its six speed trans is very powerful, quick clean shifts, is rarely, if ever, caught in the wrong gear, and will effortlessly run up to its redline limit without sounding stressed, in fact it's a very Germanic engine, no fuss, no bother, and does its job very well providing very good fuel mileage.
The 2008 Jag unit in comparison surprisingly felt almost as fast, the ZF trans was the fastest paddle shifting trans I've ever driven, and it's ratio's were almost perfectly matched to the engine. I loved the exhaust note of the Jag, a sort of mid range growl rather than the deep V8 rumble, and that added a lot to the driving experience for me. That enginee almost seemed the revel in high rpm's and was very happy to rev right up to the red line.
Both are low maintenance engines, 10,000 mile oil changes (recommend but too long for me), plugs 100,000, etc. Frankly it's hard to separate these engines from their respective bodies, and what cars were indented for. If you prefer the somewhat soullessnes of some modern cars, then perhaps the Audi is for you, but for those us who demand that when we turn our cars on, they return the favor, i.e., a little passion from our cars, well the Jag wins hands down.
I did own an older A6 4.2, a 2001 and it was rated at 300 bhp, and was port injected. I have to admit that car was my favorite daily driver of all the cars I've ever owned. A very sophisticated, smooth running, powerful, free revving n/a V8, maybe the best I've ever driven until the new Jag 5.0 n/a DI engine. It was not as powerful, nor as quick as the later DI engines, but unusually for a German car, it had character, and I loved it for that.
Neither Audi ever approached the svelt lines or the beauty of the Jags, neither inside or out, but I have to admit they do know how to build a nice engine.
Regards,
After reading that I actually feel like I have been behind the wheel of a v8v powered Audi ... fantastic write-up very descriptive !!
Funny that you mention the fact that the jaguar 4.2 v8 loves to revel in the pointy end of the rpm range, thats exactly what my dyno tuner said to me when I had it tuned last year .
The ZF gearbox is absolutely superb. Its silky smooth and when in sports mode its shifting points are spot on
The one disappointment I have with the n/a 4.2 is the lack of punch below 3500rpm I find it very doughy however anything above that and its a very different machine it really picks up and goes.
I very much doubt its the case with the new 5.0 DI i would imagine it would have a truck-load of torque through out the entire rev range and wouldnt need to rely on the high rpms to get it up and going
1988 Porsche 924S in pristine condition. It has only 24K miles, 5 speed> Guards Red exterior and black leather interior. This was the final year and Porsche gave it lots of goodies. It has the 944 engine with 160HP, 911 seats and steering wheel, factory alarm, removable sunroof, fold down rear seats, electric windows, cruise control, A/C and power mirrors. Excellent car to own and drive.
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- Chevy Cruze Diesel - Great MPG for daily commute. Decent torque for passing. Don't care where I park it.
- Benz E350 Wagon - Strong utility, handling ability, all wheel drive, luxurious, room for 7, and almost as rare as the XKR. We are on our third E class wagon and will likely keep that going until the kids are older. My wife was involved in two separate collisions where we had to write off our 2002 and years later, our 2007. We are now on a 2011. She and the kids walked away both times and the cops told her she was lucky to have been driving that particular car due to the way the impact was absorbed by the car and not by them, in both cases. Those incidents took me from enthusiast to evangelist.
My daily driver is an Audi S6, long time Audi owner A6, A7, A8 before the S6, the AWD is a must where I live, but do love my XK for weekend jaunts.
My wife drives a Cherokee Limited.
Besides our 2014 XKR convertible, we have a 2002 XJR and a 2012 VW R. Can you tell we have a thing for cars that end in 'R'? :-) Even though there are twelve years in between the XKR and the XJR and they're entirely different cars, I think I like them equally. The VW is an amazing machine too. But my daily driver is a state-owned car I use for work and it's a 2011 Ford Fusion Hybrid. It's an outstanding car.
We recently sold our 2008 Lexus LS460L to buy the XKR. We had it almost six years and I can't say enough great things about it. What a marvel of engineering. Lexus really knows how to make excellent vehicles.
My second vehicle is a 2006 Maserati Quattroporte...I love both of these cars! They are very different but beautiful in their individual ways. I also have a 2010 Ford Flex that I'm considering trading for a Range Rover or Range Rover Sport....we'll see.
I have an 2007 Land Rover Freelander 2 diesel for knocking around. It is basic but it is handy for towing the boat, carrying the dog and for trips to the builder yards or rubbish tips. I don't have to worry about psrking it.
It is nice to drive with a high up position.
The 1962 E type Series1 ots and the 2007 XK are for summer and fun cars when I need a petrol injection boost.
